Baby Auto Mag history
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Topic: Baby Auto Mag history
Posted By: Pontiaker
Subject: Baby Auto Mag history
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 9:15pm
Iam sure some of you have seen this before but I never have until now. Great story about how the baby Automag came to be.
http://www.maynardarmsco.com/?page_id=13
It was of great interest to me since I just bought a bastard Baby Automag look-a-like that I have no history on and would really like to contact this guy to have him look at pics of my new gun. Do you guys know who this is and does anyone have contact info for this person?
Below you will see pics of what I just bought. I think its just a standard Ruger Mark 1 frame that may have a back door AMT barrel on it? Its not even a complete Baby copy, diff ejection port, no large ears on the bolt and diff sights but I still love it. It also has had the serial number relocated to the pistols frame instead of the barrel extension and the whole gun is finished in blue! I love stainless but a nice blue is cool too. Maybe you guys that are lucky enough to have a real baby can also point out anything else you see thats diff on this pistol? Look at the barrel crown too.I have not been able to find a Baby here in CA at the same time that I have the cash to buy it:~) I also can not import one from another state with our crappy gun laws, why do I stay here Commifornia again?!?
Anyway I am really happy to add it to my collection wether it was made at AMT by an employee or just a gunsmith copy. It looks and shoots great.
I also have an AMT marked and serial numbered stainless steel 10.5 inch barrel with no rib, would love to find more info on these too.
Thanks! Matt




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Posted By: darrell
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 10:55pm
Matt, I too live in Kailfornia, lucky us! Barrel looks pretty good. I remember Brian saying that the hardest part was making the rib and yours looks ok. Guess as long as it shoots ok that's what counts.
------------- darrello
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 12:15am
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Matt, You are looking for Brian Maynard, sirsaka is his name on the board here. Hope he'll drop in as it was his "baby". I don't own a BAM, my wife does. One time someone looked at her funny when see said "I can't wait to shoot my baby this weekend". Then she had to explain it was what she called here pistol as it was a 22 instead of a 44. She has since been careful about using those words........ It looks like a nice copy. Millet rear sight and all. Someone obviously had access to the right equipment, because it would have been cheaper to pay $1000 for one than to have one made from a Ruger. JW
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Posted By: Pontiaker
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 12:48am
I thought it looked pretty well made and your right, a lot easier to buy one than do the rib on this barrel especially after reading how hard it was to do the rib on that long tapered barrel.
I had the same thing happen to me as your wife, I said I was looking forward to shooting a Witness, meaning my new at the time EAA Witness .40 auto pistol:~)
Thanks for Brians name, I will try and contact him through the board. Thanks! Matt
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Posted By: schwammy
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 9:04pm
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Haha... I got some strange looks when I was overheard saying I shot a raging judge.
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Posted By: Pontiaker
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 1:43am
I also have this Ruger Mark ! with an AMT marked barrel. It is 10.5 inches long with no rib but it does look like it has the cut outs on the barrel extension for the baby auto ears on the sides of the bolts.

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Posted By: Pontiaker
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 8:22pm
Can anyone PM a phone number for Brian? I would really like to ask him a few questions about these. Thanks! Matt
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Posted By: 7mmMKsuper
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 10:23pm
Hey Matt, I have no wisdom for you on the "Look a Like", but do have an Idea on the Stainless Upper. AMT sold those uppers for a while before the Lightning pistol was in the market. They offered many barrel lengths etc. as an companion for the stock Ruger setup you may have had. Most that I see are on the "Standard Automatic" as yours is, so that gives some idea of the time frame.
Just my two cents, MK
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Posted By: Pontiaker
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 10:37pm
Thanks MK! I actually remember seeing these barrels for sale at gun shows years ago. I hope Brian has some more insight to both of these above. Thanks! Matt
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 11:48pm
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I have one of those barrels without a rib too, on a Mark I frame, which I converted to a Mark II, using a lot of AMT lightning stainless spare parts I bought. MIne is really long like 12.5 or maybe even 16.5. I don't take it out much, as it's soo ridiculously long. The scallop cuts are normal for an AMT I believe.
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Posted By: Pontiaker
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 11:54pm
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You interested in selling it?
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2011 at 11:59pm
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Actually, mine is 10.5" too. I didn't think it was 16.5" but they made them as gunparts clearanced some years ago, and I was too late ordering one (stripped upper). Same sights, scallops, etc. I painted the frame park gray with ALumahyde (mine was in bad shape compared to yours). I should put a cheap red dot on it, but if I remember it shoots really well, probably due to the sight radius almost as long as a factory 10/22.... Jason
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2011 at 12:01am
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I swore mine was 12.5", but you know us guys tend to exaggerate......Mine's only 10.5"
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2011 at 12:03am
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Is your ejector loose? Mine is welded in (looks like blue steel to stainless) but is loose, but it works fine. I need to get it tacked someday, but gotta find someone that will do it for a 6 pack....as it ain't worth shipping,etc....
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Posted By: Pontiaker
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2011 at 12:38am
Got it in hand and man it is some really nice workmanship! I dont know how anyone could make this thing so close to the original, it has to have come out of AMT at some time, hopefully when I speak with Brian he can shed some light on this. Test fired it in my shop, works great. Will see how accurate it is at the range this weekend. I am going to make some wood grips for it like the grips on Road Kings BAM, man they make it look even more like a full size Auto Mag, really sharp. The bluing is professional and there is like no wear on it anywhere. The frame is also what looks like a Ruger Mark 2 frame with the slide release. The frame that came on the gun has alot of blue wear so I actually installed it on another frame I have that is minty, looks almost like a new gun now. If you own a BAM can someone take some pics of the front sight from above looking down on it? This has what looks like a custom front sight that is dovetailed into the top of the rib and then a small screw from the top to hold it tight. Would like to see what I factory BAM looks like. I am thinking of having the whole gun hard chromed or some other super durable finish to make it look stainless, it looks great in blue but I think I prefer the silver finish look on this one.Range report sunday night. Will try and get some new pics of it as well. Matt
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 8:13pm
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Matt,
It looks like someone knew what they were doing when they made this barrel. I do not believe it is factory but sometimes things did get done there and not published. My instinct is that it was done by someone who is a qualified machinist who enjoys gun work and knows how to copy something very well. He done di a good job from your pic. I know you can't publish the sn but I'd be curious as to what it is. Good job though and a great find. 
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Posted By: Pontiaker
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 9:41pm
Very cool, thanks Brian! Some day I will send it to you to handle in person. Thanks again! Matt
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 2:30am
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The ejectors were indeed welded in from the factory, unlike Ruger Mark II's which are riveted. I had many Lightnings come in for repair with the same problem. You might want to have it rewelded before it comes out. Then again, it may stay in, depending on where the break is. Just an FYI.
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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 7:16am
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The difference that I spot is it didn't have the wings on the side of the bolt like the AM and the front of the trigger guard is slope upward at 45ish bottom front edge to top front of receiver, no figer grip nub like the lightings or indents like the ruger. If they stamped a SN on the ruger frame make you record the RECEIVER one not the frame one. The frame SN should not be the LEGAL one as the SN on the receiver was the one recorded from the maker as the "Firearm"
That BBL crown indent looks like a dead ringer for the first ones made by Brian, as the production ones are not that deep. They did away with a few things for the price to stay reasonable to sell them. According to the article I read it said a few things about the first ones made, Harry Sanford got XP001 and Brian got the second one XP002. hope Brian can confirm this.
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 3:26pm
Harry got XP01 and I got XP02. There were no double 0's in the true XP's, (001, 002).
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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 10:42pm
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Now I really have a few questions, I did look in the magazine and found the story about YOUR Baby Automag. It clearly shows your serial number as XP02 (as you stated) you say XP01 went to Harry. How many others were there made using just the XP prefix with a two digit number? Who made the Baby Automags with the XP-001(xp prefix dash three digit numbers) and why would they make another run of XP's using three digit numbers? I do love the Baby Automags as they shoot and balance great for me.
Last question
You mention thinking of making up some BBL/Receivers and all that Ruger issue and others mention the Tactical Solutions Pac-Lite BBL/Receiver not having this issue(at least not in public view). Lets just say it's now ok to do(your letter is dated '96, maybe some things have changed since), I would think making a whole items would be a better idea then just the BBL/receiver as putting your BBL/Receiver on a RUGER frame just wouldn't do it justice! I love Ruger BUT this thing about rights is not even close to the people who know Firearms. It's like saying dodge and chev copied ford cause they all have 4 wheels.
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 2:36am
I made 12 BAM"s in all, if my memory serves me at all. 11 w/ribs and 1 without. The first gun did not make the grade due to the rib problem I mention in the story. However, my brother did end up getting that one and swore by its accuracy, although it shoots about a foot high at about 25 ft or so. That particular one is back in my hands now, since my brother passed away. It does not hold an XP prefix. All XP's went to management @ AMT except for the very last two. I made the sillouette BAM that I posted in a separate thread sometime after all the barrels were used up. The last XP with a rib went to a very good friend of Harry's who just had to have one after the article came out. His name was Joe Herrara (I think). I believe he worked for J&G sales. He had a friend with him when he picked up the gun who's name I believe was Mark. We had mutual interests that made it good for both of us. I wanted a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle, so he brought me in a new rifle to AMT and we traded straight across in the front office with Harry present and when AMT was still in Covina, CA. I also signed a copy of the June '85 issue of G&A for Joe & Mark. Hope this helps.
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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 3:58am
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That's good to know, so 11 XP 2 digit firearms were made.
Now what about the xp 3 digit firearms?
What about making another complete set of BAM's, like it was said here, why would "Tactical Solutions" make pac-lite bbl/receivers and not have issues or they solved them somehow. Let us know about this cause I'm sure you can sell 500-1000 limited sets, depending on price.
I know some will buy them knowing you would make it a limited set but don't think it would hold up as a full blown production item as I'm sure the costs would make others buy cheaper production shooters but NOT us am'ers!
I know I would buy a Full Blown Baby Automag, Made like the prototypes with all the bells and whistles. Most people don't know the difference between them. Got any pics you can post of?
Thanks very much for your time and history of this item.
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Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 2:56pm
I have an e-mail into Tactical Solutions to see if there is any agreement between them and Ruger. Sometimes its not what you know but who you know. The fact the Ruger isn't all over them gives me pause. I'll be interested in their response. With that said, I'm not set up for any full blown BAM manufacturing...yet.  Funding would be a key factor in getting something like this up and running, even though it is considered small scale. There is so much in tooling up and in producing all the parts. There is some metal stamping and assembly that would take alot of up-front money in order to accomplish. Evem if I get a good report from Tactical, as much as I would love to make more "Baby's", there is a bit of a reality check here for me. One option that I could consider is buying the components from Tactical, if they would go for such a thing. Mod the frames and bolts as I did @ AMT for the XP's and make the barrels from scratch. Just a thought as I'm typing and waking up this morning.  As far as the original XP's are concerned, there were a couple of three digit serial numbers as my memory recalls. A little tidbit of info here if you bear with me. When I asked Larry to engrave the serial numbers, I stated I wanted "XP01", etc. A few management personnel had their own specific (same) number that they used on every gun they received from AMT. Although it would be inappropriate to go into which numbers they were, I can tell you that a couple were two digits. So...long story even longer, because Larry thought I wanted "XP0" for every gun, three digits were used for thes two digit numbers (XP0xx, etc). I wanted only two digits on all XP's but a miscommunication on my part gave us a couple of three digit serial numbers. Confusing? Sorry if so. But it is history and I thought I'd set the record straight, since you asked.
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Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 7:32pm
As far as I know Tatical Solutions does not sell complete guns, only the Barrel replacements. You use your existing reciever/bolt and build the gun, at least that is what I did for my 3. Other than that I think they might do some rifles, but they are on ruger recievers. Not completly sure
------------- If you can't have fun doing it, then don't do it.
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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 8:33pm
Posted By: sirsaka
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2012 at 11:59pm
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XP001...This gun is frighteningly so close to mine down to the etching. The etching is identical which tells me it was made at the factory. The reason is because there are 4 different factory stencils used, as I did with my XP's. FYI- The "CUSTOM 22 L.R./H.V." line is from AMT's .22 Back Up pistol stencil. That proves to me that this pistol was indeed made at the factory by someone who was qualified and had the ways and means to do the job well. This is very interesting to me, confusing and somewhat troubling.
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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 1:42am
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