Who's making Automag grips out there?
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Topic: Who's making Automag grips out there?
Posted By: Rick
Subject: Who's making Automag grips out there?
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 3:42pm
| I know Eagle makes them. Does anyway else? Anyone make homemade grips? |
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 6:01pm
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I've made two sets, one smooth, one finger groove smooth.
I was going to make several for people, then I had two kids. Time I don't have now.
Bruce's Poly "Shooter's Grips" are about the best in my opinion. I'd love it if we could get a run of them by Vintage Gun Grips (with Bruce's permission) for like $35-40 a set. I'd buy several, maybe some in Brown too.
Jason
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Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 6:08pm
Jason, come on now, how can two toddlers keep you that busy!!!! I saw a set that Jason made and they were very nice. ------------- "This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!! |
Posted By: Ian
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 6:15pm
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I have a few spare sets of Bruce's Poly "Shooter's Grips" if anyone would like one.
Ian ------------- http://www.amtguns.net" rel="nofollow - Ian's AMT Information Page http://www.glossover.co.uk" rel="nofollow - A little more about me - My corner of the internet |
Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 6:27pm
Ian, hopefully you will have your Auto Mag exported soon so save a set for yourself!!! I am still trying Ian. I sent another email to my boss Ivan in Nevada!!!  ------------- "This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!! |
Posted By: Ian
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 6:33pm
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All in good time, I am going over to Belgium on the 21st to sort out the import paperwork so with a bit of luck this year will see it all finished.
My wife is beginning to wonder if I bought the pistols it has been lo long
 Ian ------------- http://www.amtguns.net" rel="nofollow - Ian's AMT Information Page http://www.glossover.co.uk" rel="nofollow - A little more about me - My corner of the internet |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 6:45pm
| I'll take a set. Email me price. |
Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2008 at 6:54pm
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Nice site Rick.
Has anybody tried contacting Bruce about a run of grips?
As Jason said, Vintage grips makes a nice set. I have one in ivory and it looks very nice. All tallied, I believe I have 6 sets including the one I got off Tony R. on ebay.
Nice to be back.
Gerry
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Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2008 at 9:30pm
| I want some of those curmudgeon special grips! |
Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2008 at 11:30pm
| Patience is a virtue...soon |
Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 12:55am
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Keep me in mind! |
Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 1:26am
| Speaking of that Mr Jurras, When will they be available? and when are you taking orders?what will the cost be? |
Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 1:24am
| Will be Micarta only, Blacxk, White, Red, and Maroon...about 200.... |
Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 2:11am
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Just let me know how you want payment sent. And you carve these out of white rhino horn? Heheheh I assume these will fit the 160's 180's and all your customs.One of my 160's came with wood grips, and I am sure they were ordered with the guns, way back when. What type of wood were they made of?
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Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 3:24pm
| Made with a wide variety of domestic and exotic woods, too many to mention, very few were the same combination...I don't recall making any of just one type wood...Most had a combination of 3 to five species, with light and dark contrasting. Don't even remember how many sets. The Int'l series were black and white made up of Holly and Macasser Ebony. FWIW dept. |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 8:08pm
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It's rare for an AM to turn up in the Mid South, but I remember seeing one once that had what I now know were micarta grips, yellow in color - kind of antique looking. They probably came with the gun. I wouldn't mind a set like that. How are those done? Are they yellow to start with, or white that is stained? |
Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 11:11pm
| Ginsaw, those were the good old days. That particular paper Micarta is no longer available, it aged like Ivory, and even had a similar grain effect. The nearest available that I've found is the linen Micarta. But doesn't yellow like original or elephant ivory. I probably made 35-40 sets with that old Micarta. Wish it was still available. ;-/ |
Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 1:49am
| Curmudgeon, in New mexico are you allowed to carry a holstered sidearm in public? |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 2:33am
| I took a pair of new ruger white grips that I think was modern day Macarta and soaked them in very stong tea for 3 days and the white turned just a ever so light yellow....Rick |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 3:57am
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It's a shame those yellow Micartas aren't available today. They were some kind of nice. I've never seen anything else that has the same look. There are yellow grips out there, but in other materials. The closest I've ever owned was a pair of HP grips that a gunsmith said were "franzilite" (not probably the right spelling). He thought they were a little gaudy for a Browning, but I liked them. Yellow outside, white inside and a hard but brittle resin like material. Never run across it elsewhere.
Curmudgeon, given any thought to including an AM medallion in the grips?
Rick, I remember reading that the Duke tea stained his the same way.
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Posted By: Brian K
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 6:36am
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Are you referring to grips like these?
Brian
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Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 11:03am
| The tea staining has been around as long as Ivory grips have been made, some just couldn't wait... No AM Medallion.Have put SV headstamped 44 Mag cases in several tho... |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 5:54pm
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Brian, those look like it. The yellow Micartas improve any gun's appearance drastically, be it highly polished presentation piece or plain "field grade".
Curmudgeon, the medallion I was thinking of is the traditional AM red, white and black design like the image shown on Ian's post above. It would go good with the colors you selected, but I don't know if you'd want to go there, or if someone owns the commercial rights to that image. Seems I once heard or read a comment to that effect, but can't recall for sure. I could understand how trying to create it - in enameled metal for instance - could be a challenge.
FWIW, the yellow grips I saw were many yrs ago on a presentation boxed Pasadena 44 (not engraved) with extra 357 barrel and reloading equipment that was up for sale locally. The ask at the time was $2K.
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Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 7:22pm
| Harry gave me permission to use the AM logo on the first Zippo lighters. Never thought about the use of AM logo or image as stock inlays...Once had SV enameled lapel pins....No big deal to have it done with the AM logo, just doubted if enough could be sold to justify the expense. I would ask Walter if he had any objection, as a matter of formality.. |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 11:03pm
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As far as getting permissions goes, I wouldn't forget Hi Standard. I remember reading here that they have the rights to the AutoMag. You have to figure that includes any trademarks. So if I was selling grips with that logo I would cover my bases on it and get their written permission along with whoever else might have an interest.
Speaking of HS AMs, I've been thinking about buying one of their AMIIIs. It would be an interesting novelty and probably fun to shoot. If it sells well it might encouarge other AMs to be built.
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Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 11:50pm
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I think that HS only has rights to the "other" AutoMag pistols (Automag ll and lll and so forth)and not to the original 44 Auto Mag. I think that Walter and his mother still hold the rights to it. He gave me permission to use the logo a while ago for some lighters and the laser etching on some of the AM cases that I had.
------------- "This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!! |
Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 1:37am
| Since I have NO plans for any AM logo use, its not a problem with me. |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 2:57am
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How does the Micarta compare to rosewood for shooting?
Happy 59th to paul v. !!!
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 3:22am
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Hummm,,,, Seen more broken Eagle grips than good ones, my experience is not good with them. Now the Micarta seems virtually unbreakable! I have 2 sets and one has seen some real rough use (many heavy loads) and they look perfect.
GH
  ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 8:09am
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Hey George, that's alot of grips you have there, Very nice!
I like the one on top right, the grey shade, is this wood or something else?
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 11:41am
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Hi luc,
Sorry its a bad picture,,,
Are you refering to the black/linen marcarta grip?
If so its an unfinished pair I have from long ago.
I've never seen a set finished in this color, but imagine that they would look real nice!
GH
 ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 11:56am
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Yes George those must be looking real nice on the stainless pistol, looks like a great combination to me.
So this ain't no wood, but what is the "black linen" sort of stuff?? Not the same as what we called "linnen" (sort of fabric to make dresses, costumes etc.)
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 1:09pm
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Yes it is the same basic fabric as the material used to make dresses and other household products, though I have not seen the "linnen" spelling. Its nothing new, more like about 100 years old,,, Basically just a simple plastic with layered paper or linen or other cloth material. There are countless variations (materials and colors) Below are 2 brown grips I have. One has a fine linen and the other has a course cloth (almost looks like old counter-top material you would see in a road side Diner) Both are well finished and then coated with a polyurethane material. Enjoy and sorry the pictures are not better quality, still working on my Auto Mag photography skills,,,
GH
  ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 2:15pm
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Very nice sets of grips you have there George!!!!
------------- "This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!! |
Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 2:27pm
| I'm not sure about 100 years, but its primarily made for table tops and kitchen sinks. But has found other uses..... |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 3:16pm
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Sorry, I was speaking more generally than specifically. The basic product is an old Westinghouse insulator plastic. Eventually it became Micarta and Formica. Just when the actual Micarta industrial produce was first offered, I’m not sure maybe WW I or WW II not sure. Interestingly, it is still used extensively for industrial purposes ranging from electrical insulation blocks to hardhats, and plenty of milspec stuff! And yes counter tops and table tops, though most of us here tend to see it as knife stocks these days even though that’s but a fractional percentage of its sales. In any case, its GOOD stuff!!! ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 3:23pm
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OK thanks for the explanation. Linnen must be a word which is kept hanging after WW2, we Flemish people kept alot of those words in our vocabulary after the liberators gone back. I guess the WW2 troops used this fabric in their stuff? (But now Im' getting out of topic)Maar ja, het is niet altijd gemakkelijk om alles in een andere taal te moeten schrijven!
Now you guys can try to translate the above for a change..........
Ps, George your post (typeing) must be faster than mine)
To add: Yes George, now I know what it is FORMICA, sure I know, it is still used alot here to make kitchen furniture. And they do have it in al sorts of collors.
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Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 3:38pm
| The whole point being it is MUCH stronger than any wood or laminated wood stocks if you want to use them as a shooter. The standard size stocks are very thin when they have to be inletted to fit any AM as there is much more variation in frame warpage than say compared to a 1911.also a variation in holdopen and trigger bar assembly from gun to gun as well as the safety lever...FWIW dept. There are only maybe 3-4 people who have shot enough rounds in many different guns to notice this variation. This does not mean just switching bbls....FWIW dept.. |
Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 3:46pm
But yes, it is not always easy everything in another language have write. Is that correct Luc??? ------------- "This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!! |
Luc V. wrote:Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 3:50pm
 Yes John, that's pretty close!
Now you can speak and write the language, just book a trip to Belgium. I'l be waiting for you!
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Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 3:53pm
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Luc, I am checking flights right now!!!!
------------- "This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!! |
Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 4:22pm
John, Let me when you arrive in Brussels, and I'l pick you up!
Ps, Delta airlines has an every day flight from Atl to Bru. (DL 124 or 125)
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Posted By: H_Talon
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2008 at 12:49am
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I have read all of this thread and I'm kind of confused .. who makes automag grips ????? My fiance just bought me a high standard automag .. how cool is that well I NEED !!!!! grips and a good holster.. and of course ammo :-) Looking for wood, finger grips, or linen mircata grips ... if Lee Jurris is going to start making/selling grips .. add me to the list !!!!!! if there are any other resources I love to know .. Thanks guys and gals ..... Talon |
Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2008 at 1:52am
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Talon,
You can use a Bianchi X-15 Holster in Large for 6.5" barrel guns or X-Large for 8.5" Barrel guns.
Simply Rugged makes an Automag Holster too I understand-That's who made yours Rick, Correct?
Eagle grips used to carry some Automag Wood grips, but members here had some crack pretty quickly (as many wood grips do under the Automag).
The best shooting grips I've used for durability seem's to be Bruce Stark's Shooter's Grips. I believe Ian said he had a set to spare.
Congrats, and go up to the archive and start reading, a lot of reading to do. Don't forget Ian's website either, tons of info.
Jason
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Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2008 at 2:18am
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There are/were other fine holsters, but I think it's fair to say that the Bianchi X-15 that Jason referred to is the one you'll see most often mentioned for the Auto Mag. One thing going for it is that it's also the holster of choice for the popular N frame Smiths, so it's still in production and frequently seen used and at good prices at gun shows. |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2008 at 4:31pm
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Curmudgeon, will your grips require fitting that we can easily do? How will that part work?
Ian, is it possible to post a closeup pic of the Shooter's Grips? I don't know what they look like.
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Posted By: Ian
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2008 at 5:21pm
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Anything to be of help
 Ian
  ------------- http://www.amtguns.net" rel="nofollow - Ian's AMT Information Page http://www.glossover.co.uk" rel="nofollow - A little more about me - My corner of the internet |
Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2008 at 6:41pm
| Those look nice |
Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2008 at 6:51pm
| Are those curmudgeons? They would look great with a Mr Jurras logo on it!!! |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2008 at 12:33am
| I think Bruce Stark made them. Would love to have a set in laminated wood....Rick |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2008 at 3:05am
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Thx Ian. I've read about Bruce's "Shooters Grips" here, but never saw a pair before. They look good. The other question I had pertained to Curmudgeon's new Micarta grips. What I was really interested in knowing was with Micarta, is some specialized fitting needed and if so is it something the end user can do (us) or do we need to plan on sending the frame. |
Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2008 at 4:26pm
| Ginsaw. Fitting to an actual frame is always the best but I can compinsate for the average, which fits about 90 % of the guns. But you would probably have no way of knowing if your frame had excessive warp or noy. In some cases you might be able to tell if there is a contact point where there shouldn't be...Cheers. |
Posted By: Ginsaw
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2008 at 8:40pm
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That's helpful. Probably then it'll work OK, but if it's way off I assume you can help. Just let us know. The maroon especially sounds interesting. |
Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2008 at 11:34pm
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Got to Gunbroker and our friend Don has some Jurras laminated grips for $400 a set. Seems about right, LEJ charge about $40-50 thirty years ago and I made $6/hr.
Gerry
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Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 12:49am
| I have a set just like that, but don't want to use them, as rumors they may crack. |
Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 1:06pm
| Well Bullethole I've shot literally tens of thousands of rounds thru my numerous AM's w/o breaking any. But did have several customers break theirs where I wasn't able to fit to frame. Then after examining several hundred frames decided to quit making the stocks in wood, laminated or otherwise. Will just build in Micarta now. If you could examine fit to frame see there is proper clearance, you would probably be ok. FWIW Dept. |
Posted By: Bullethole
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 1:56pm
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Hello Curmudgeon!
After checking fit-to-frame, I think these will be just fine. Thank you for your input, it is much appreciated!
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Posted By: curmudgeon
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 3:44pm
| Make sure you have the rubber "O" rings under the stock screws...:-) |