New Man Here
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Topic: New Man Here
Posted By: Conny
Subject: New Man Here
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2010 at 5:18am
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New guy here. Own a .44 Horth Hollywood 6 1/2 barrel with case (original foam) and accessories/paperwork. Also own a .44 El Monte 6 1/2 barrel with case (originial foam) and accessories but no paperwork. Smaller items are a parts kit I bought from a gentleman on a different Automag website, George Lawrence shoulder holster, bianchi mag pouch, 250rds. Wildey .44 ammo, 1 box Sandia, 1 box Norma, 1000rds. Starline brass, 4 clips and complete set of dies.
I don't reload anymore so I purchase ammo from other manufacturers. I hope to find and buy an extra .44 North Hollywood longer barrel, a .357 North Hollywood 6 1/2 and a .357 North Hollywood longer barrel.
I am retired. I DO NOT work. I'm also into collecting and restoring Military Vehicles and other military handguns/collectable handguns.
I have owned my Automags for 10+ years and never shot either......yet.
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Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2010 at 1:06pm
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Welcome to the forum Conny!!!! There is a lot of info to be learned on this forum. We have some of "THE TOP" authorities on the AutoMag post on this forum!!! Good to see another fellow Virginian on the forum.
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Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2010 at 1:54pm
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Hi Conny,
Welcome to the "club des Automag"...
I see you also like the "old military" stuff.
Check out this old post of mine about the 'tanks in town show' every year in Belgium, you might like this.
http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=174&PN=1 - http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=174&PN=1
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Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2010 at 4:09pm
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Thank you for the welcome Automag.
Luc, I'm also a member of the G503 board and a couple of the other military vehicle collectors from Belgium have posted some great photos of "tanks in town". I own a restored 1944 M29C Weasel Floater and a 1974 German Faun Kraka. I'm restoring the Kraka in my garage now. Due to bad health, this will be my last restoration.
I have looked back through the messages (25 pages) and have been looking for the major problems with the Automag. I have no doubt these have been discussed before. Has someone made a list? Mainly, I want to know what spare parts I should keep handy just in case. I'm more of a collector than a shooter but hope to change that because I want to enjoy them before age and health problems hit me harder.
I don't know what I can contribute to the board so I'll just stand-by until I have something relevent to post.
Other than John Martz, is there a gunsmith that can make a carbine from an Automag?
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Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 6:47pm
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Conny,
I'm not a military vehicle collector or builder, but I like to visit the parades they run around here sometimes. It's as walking back into time. (even if I'm not that old;-))
I don't know much about major problems with the Automag, that is if you keep your weapon in good condition. (oil and clean)
As far as spareparts, I would suggest a couple of recoil springs from "wolf gunsprings"
Just make sure you have the correct size for your pistol, as there are two sizes of recoilrods.
Don't hesitate to shoot your Automag, they are much more fun to use instead of just look at them. I'm a guncollector myself, but using the weapons is just the cream on the cake...
I have no idea about converting a automag into a carbine. May I ask why this idea, is it for the caliber or the "looks" ?
I think a member here ( Tony Rumore Tromix Corp ?) made a AR15 in the 44AMP caliber...
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Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 9:46pm
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Speaking of that, I exchanged emails with Tony and was going to send him my reamer for 357 AMP and something happened between our email accounts (SPAM blocker or something stupid). And Tony's not taking work right now. I thought hard about a M1 Carbine or AR Upper in 357 AMP, as that's my favorite round |
Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2010 at 10:58pm
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Luc, I've seen carbines in Luger, P-38, Lahti L-35 and Wildey. I'm sure there are others. I'm looking for something similar to the Alaskan Automag but because the laws have changed, with a 16" barrel and stronger detachable stock. Is there anyone who is making Automag barrels? That would be a good start I guess.
A group of us are planning on taking our military tracked vehicles to Alaska camping and hunting for a few weeks (advatage of being retired). I could take a rifle but always wanted to use an Automag for game and protection. One barrel in .44 for large game and one in .357 for smaller game. Although I think there wouldn't be much squirrel or rabbit left hit with a .357 so my .22 rifle will go as well.
I think everyone wants a different or unusual firearm and a .44/.357 Automag carbine would be excellent.
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Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2010 at 6:50pm
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Conny, I think you're call for a Automag carbine should be heard by Max. Since he's experimenting with a new concept, maybe your carbine tought isn't that bad...It looks like a fun to go on a huntingtrip with your retro military vehicles. Keep us posted on the trip.
I read somewhere on this forum that Lee Juras shot some rabits with his Automag, can't remember if there was something left to eat...
 Well, you're right about that, everyone want something special...
here's my unusual little carbine I made a while ago...
http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=108 - http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=108
Jason, you're idea with the M1 carbine looks tempting...
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 4:25am
Like so,,,
 That was a 12 1/2" Bbl in 475
Brian Maynard made that and a 16 1/2" 357 AMP Bbl for me many years back.
Anything is possible, you just need to pony up lots of cash and you can have anything you can dream up.
Good luck,,, GH ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Conny wrote:Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 5:28am
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GH---The photo of your Automag is very much what I'm seeking. Do you have/need a Short Barrelled Rifle Permit with the 12 1/2" barrel? The stock is excellent and looks much
stronger.
I do seek a 16 1/2" barrel in both 44/357AMP. I would prefer a wood shoulder stock fitted with an extra magazine concealed in the buttstock. I would add an extention (similar to the Luger carbine) permanently fixed from the forward triiger guard area to accommodate a wood stock with a swivel ring and an added swivel ring to the rear wood stock. In a nutshell, a Luger carbine using an Automag. That's my dream Automag.
Everything with the Automag is big bucks. A little more for something special couldn't hurt. But, if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
You have a Beautiful pistol.
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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 7:39pm
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You would need to get any permits required by your states laws as well as to get the ATF stamp for the mod.
As for your preferences, all can be done with modest effort and ready cash.
Just find a real good gunsmith/machinest and and have at it!
Not sure if Brian Maynard is still doing such work, but he made several custom Bbls for me in the past and the work was always top shelf.
GH
Oh, just to be clear, I dont have either of the 475 Bbls or the 16 1/2" 357 Bbl or the shoulder stock shown. All are in the hands of different collectors at this time.
Hope they post their own pictures of these items and how they are using them.
gh ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: jw4570
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2010 at 11:02pm
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GH, Did you have someone slot the frame for the shoulder stock? Or how did that one work? |
Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 2:31am
| I myself wouldn't slot the frame. Why take metal away from the rear strap? I'd have a stock lug mounted similar to the Lahti and Luger. Whereas the Luger/Lahti lugs are curved following the grip contour, mine would be straight as the Automags rising about 1/4" with a locking knotch for attaching iron. |
Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 3:25am
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Hi Jason,
Nope, never fitted it to a frame,its just set up against the frame in the picture.
I really didnt like that stock, it was plenty strong and looked ok, just not to my liking.
I strongly prefer the one LEJ used on the first Internationals.
Not sure how many he made, but they look "right" to my eye.
I'll get one some day,,, some day,,, (ya right, when I hit the lottery,,, or maybe I can talk my friend Bruce Stark into swap, like my left kidney and a chunk of my liver and maybe,,, well you get the picture, basically he can pretty well name his price for his most spectacular International!)
Later - GH ------------- Who was that masked man,,, |
Posted By: MAX GERA
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 3:54am
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Well, there seems to be quite a bit of interest in shoulder stocks for the AMP.
After I get my new bolt assemblies off the ground in the next few months, I might be per$$uaded into building one or two stocks. I'm thinking in something along the lines of the old Mauser Broomhandle; so that it can be used as a storage case, only much better looking (Feather crotch walnut would work nicely).
Now, I would only build one for someone who will assure me that they only intend to use it with a 16" + barrel AMP (Must keep it legal)!
I most definitely would not alter the frame. I'm sure that I can come up with more than one way to attach it without modifications!
Max ------------- To get things done, stop talking... Start doing! |
Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 4:44am
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I am very interested in having a shoulder stock. Of course it would only be used with a 16" barrel. Actually, for legality, I'd rather have a 16 1/8" barrel so there is no disputing it's legal. I can give references if needed for my honesty and character.
It would have to be a very long wood stock to accommodate the 16 1/8" barrel. LOL
I'm new on this Automag site, are you "THE" Max Gera who designed the Automag? I'd be interested in your new bolt assembly as well. If you decide to make a stock for me, your Mark on it would be appreciated.
Any references on someone who would make a barrel?
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Posted By: Ric Mutascio
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 5:28am
| I noticed John Martz mentioned on this string - does anyone know if he is still around? I had a P-08 Luger back in the late 1980's that he smoothed up for me - he did a fantastic job and it was a great shooter! I used to see him back then at the LA Great Western Gun Show before some idiot shot at some kids in LA and the county supervisors banned the Great Western from the LA county fairgrounds in Pomona. He did some carbine work on P-08 Lugers and P-38s as well as some custom one-offs like a 45 ACP Luger that I wish I had gotten. |
Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 5:35am
| Mr. Martz is still around and still working on Lugers. Of course, at his age, he has good days and bad. There is a P-38 carbine (sn#2) of his for sale now. Big bucks but then all his work is top notch. I own one of his luger modified carbine frames. In bad shape but restorable. |
Posted By: Ric Mutascio
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 2:07pm
| That's great news - I have my own good days and bad days athough the ratio seems to be changing towards the bad days! Perhaps when I win the lotto or GH shares his winning ticket with me, I'll get that 45 ACP Luger! |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2010 at 8:37pm
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Luc V.
If I remember correctly, Mr. Jurras did say he did some Jack Rabbit hunting with a 357AMP and when he hit one it just left a red mist.
By the way Luc, having a Belgium made FN30 in 308 made into semi only. Not much information or photos available about those models in US. Any in Belgium? Interesting thing is this model was original with the single spade grips. Thanks ........ Rick
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Posted By: MAX GERA
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 1:39am
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Hi Conny, I am indeed “That” Max Gera. Last fall I started working on an adaptation of the “Positive Locking System” from my 1984 re-design, so that it could be used in current AMTs. You can get some information on this design on some of my early posts:
http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=495&PID=4334#4334 - - http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=495&PID=4334#4334 http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=495&PID=4343#4343 - - http://automagpistol.pcst.co.uk/forum_posts.asp?TID=495&PID=4343#4343 Now, strictly from a theoretical point of view, a Mauser style shoulder stock for an AMT with a 16” barrel would need to have a hole in the front for part of the barrel to stick out when the pistol is stored inside. A far as an attachment lug, a part could be made to wrap around the back and fit under the grips. This would require no modification to the frame. As far as making a 16” barrel, it would not be much of problem as long as it is installed on an existing barrel extension. Then of course, to complete the “Carbine Look” we will have to figure out a way to attach a forend to the front of the frame. I believe that I saw somewhere an AMT with a long barrel and a wood forend. Max ------------- To get things done, stop talking... Start doing! |
Posted By: Conny
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2010 at 2:20am
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Mr. Gera,
I too thought of a hole on the stock for the barrel to fit through as well. At least the pistol itself would be protected.
However you wish to make a stock is fine with me. Modifying the frame is something I really don't want to do unless as a last resort.
As for a forearm stock, the only way I know of is an extention from the front of the frame (ala Mr. Martz). I'm still working on this in my head.
I would use my North Hollywood for this type transformation. I want to keep my original barrel as is (I'm still a collector at heart) so I will need to buy another North Hollywood barrel for rework. Or, 2 extra barrels for a .44/.357 set.
I'm very enthused about an Automag carbine with your new bolt assembly. I picture a beautiful and accurate firearm that functions flawlessly.
Ok, since this is going to cost $$$$, some of my collection has got to go on Gunbroker ASAP.
My real name is Duane Leiker. Conny is an old nickname I received while in the Military 30+ years ago. My private email: mailto:DLeiker1@verizon.com - DLeiker1@verizon.com
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