This a new 44 Auto Mag Classic edition action.

Very easy to rack without any problem.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ps1cYDEyfyc?si=iy9pM2HdOVaWbzNM

Sorry for the poor video quality 

I remember that Patrick's goal was a pistol that Grandma could cock.

That would certainly be nice if it could be done but the laws of Physics are hard to break.

They had to use weaker springs and that gun never would fire the magnum pressure loads the gun was made for.

I don't know what they were trying to prove with that pistol.

Hello,

Here is a photo of what Tim came up with to have such an easy action to rack, the 

recoil springs are very strong in this unit that I was operating in the video.

Tim came up with making the left side cut on the Bolt Helix cam a little bit further forward.

Please excuse this over processed photo.

I can't even describe how smooth & really very easy it is to rack this bolt.

Also to mention the video is NOT AI generated.

The bolt doesn't even stick at all when going slow, it just closes with the most beautiful positive lock-up sound.

This is my 9-1/8" ( not 1"  ) 44 Auto Mag LLC barrel on my Pasadena frame.

The bolt & cocking piece & barrel are a set.

But in this video you'll see I'm able to just manage racking the bolt & just a wee bit

more difficult than the one in the other video, that was a 6" unit.

But what makes this possible is the Left side Helix cam cut is just a little bit longer cut.

At the end of my cut is not as smooth as the one on the other unit, you can compare

them & see the slight lip or up-ramp on mine.

https://youtu.be/hHq4mDk9Jms?si=zjvku7IPBGk6N8uH

The unit in the first video is unfired.

I have about 200  to 230 rounds through mine, it's the 9-1/8" barrel.

I'm not sure when but I'm planing on taking down some measurement data

on the Left Helix cam cut, length & width......I just don't know when.

I can see where that modification would lower the initial force to cock the pistol.  How it would affect the guns function I do not know.

Over coming the bolt rotation spring is another factor in cocking the  pistol.

I still bet that the recoil springs are less that what Auto Mag Ltd used on their builds.  The springs they used, I assume, is what is required to keep from battering the frame.

My older Auto Mags are much easier to cock that the Auto Mag Ltd pistols I have.  The older guns also have a lot more rounds through them.

What loads are you running in your pistol and are you seeing any battering in the frame?

Another question I have is why they did not incorporate this feature in their production pistols if it works?  I know in talking to Patrick early on in his ownership of the company that the force required to cock the guns was something he and Tim were working on to improve.

My recent loads have been 240 grain FMJ 20.6 of H-110.

It appears the smoother the unit functions not firing the smoother everything works

while at the range. the hotter the loads the better.

When time permits, I'm also planing on taking down some data on the springs currently

installed, material dia. but I'm assuming these are Wolf springs, they are shorter about

1.5" then the older springs that are longer & are smaller dia. , like old stock springs.

I don't know when the cut in the Helix was implemented.......but I do know it makes 

a HUGE improvement ! 

I can see where that modification would lower the initial force to cock the pistol.  How it would affect the guns function I do not know.

Over coming the bolt rotation spring is another factor in cocking the  pistol.

I still bet that the recoil springs are less that what Auto Mag Ltd used on their builds.  The springs they used, I assume, is what is required to keep from battering the frame.

My older Auto Mags are much easier to cock that the Auto Mag Ltd pistols I have.  The older guns also have a lot more rounds through them.

What loads are you running in your pistol and are you seeing any battering in the frame?

Another question I have is why they did not incorporate this feature in their production pistols if it works?  I know in talking to Patrick early on in his ownership of the company that the force required to cock the guns was something he and Tim were working on to improve.

I have seen that official video Auto Mag LLC video.

If your Loris LLC bolt has a left side Helix cam that looks like this you will have problems

manually racking back the bolt.

I think it’s the super strong rotation spring that’s causing the difficulties. I would be very hesitant to start machining on an irreplaceable bolt when all you have to do is alter your technique slightly….

Yes there are several ways to rack the bolt as you can see from the other video.

But I didn't do any machining on my bolt, some guns that left the factory had a steep

Helix Cam cut & some had a very low exit cut & this helps to just rack the bolt like 

any other gun.   

Pantera Mike wrote: I have found it’s childishly simple to rack the bolt in a new gun if I first depress the end of the barrel against the bench. Doing so forces the barrel extension rearward and causes the bolt to rotate and unlock. Then it’s a doddle to just pull back on the cocking piece.  I think it’s the super strong rotation spring that’s causing the difficulties. I would be very hesitant to start machining on an irreplaceable bolt when all you have to do is alter your technique slightly….