Savage or Remington 308 Winchester

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I am looking at a Remington 700 Tactical vs a similar model from Savage. Both have medium heavy 20" barrels and are of similar configurations. Price about the same. I was looking at the new Remington VLF model in the same caliber but with a 26" barrel. 
Primary usage would be paper punching at up to 500 yards.
How much velocity would be gained going from a 20" barrel to a 26" in a 308 Winchester?
Your input is welcomed.

Gerry

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Gerry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: MI Status: Offline Points: 1085	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Savage or Remington 308 Winchester Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 5:38pm
	I know this is a non-Automag topic but this is the only forum I write to. I am looking at a Remington 700 Tactical vs a similar model from Savage. Both have medium heavy 20" barrels and are of similar configurations. Price about the same. I was looking at the new Remington VLF model in the same caliber but with a 26" barrel. Primary usage would be paper punching at up to 500 yards. How much velocity would be gained going from a 20" barrel to a 26" in a 308 Winchester? Your input is welcomed. Gerry

usrguns Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Pensacola, ,Fl Status: Offline Points: 950	Post Options Post Reply Quote usrguns Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 9:02pm
	I just sold a Savage tactical 308 in order to buy my 10mm Magnum. The freind I bought it from swear's it was the most accurate rifle he has ever had. I am not a rifle man, mostly handguns, but he needed cash so I helped him out. He swears by the Savage. At the gun show where I sold it I got the same response from the guy I sold it to. So for my 2 cents worth I would say the Savage

Ginsaw Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Callahan's Auto Mag Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: TN Status: Offline Points: 460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ginsaw Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 10:35pm
	Gerry, I'd call either Win, Rem or Sav and ask them. These companies can be surprisingly helpful. Rem even has replaced gratis shotgun parts for me they didn't have to. It may take some luck to get an exact answer. It will get down to whether most of the powder is burned in that first 20" that would be burned in a 26". I don't see how that can be answered without having been tested. Then you have so many different 308 mfgers, bullet weights, bullet styles, and powders, each probably with its own rate of burning. If you check the mfgers published data they generally say what length barrel was used. That would be a starting point. Good luck on it.

curmudgeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: hagerman,NM Status: Offline Points: 747	Post Options Post Reply Quote curmudgeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Mar 2008 at 12:33am
	From the past 8-10 years the Savage has come to the forefront over the Rem 700...I have shot several of the various Savage tactical models in both 308 and 300 Win Mag, that have grouped into the 1/4 MOA range out to 500 yds, in a couple cases 1 MOA to 800 yds. By using Lilja bbls and BR bluprinting I've been able to reduce only to 1/8 MOA groups to 800-900 yds. Poorer shooting was my fault not the rifles...You will not find a more accurate out of the box rifle for F Class, and or Varmint, particularly in the 30 cal. This all of course is with Carefully loaded match ammo. You do not need a 26" bbl in 308. Best accuracy is 2600 fps with Sierra MK's you can easily get 2600 fps with a 20" bbl... For all practical purposes the 308 is the best cartridge for Varmint and or F class unless maybe a 6BR or the 6.5/284 I think I saw where Savage is now offering a 6.5/284??

Gerry Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: MI Status: Offline Points: 1085	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerry Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Mar 2008 at 10:45pm
	LEJ et el Here is site with alot of info on LR shooting. http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html Gerry

Luc V. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1433	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luc V. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Mar 2008 at 6:15pm
	If I ever should have to choose one or the other, I"ll would just stick to this one: This is my winning combination, 300 WinMag, Leupold 6-24x40, Leupold rings put as far appart as the scope let you to. Put the bullets almost in the same hole every time at 100 meter. Also have this Remington in 22-250, but I can never get the same results as the Savage.

curmudgeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: hagerman,NM Status: Offline Points: 747	Post Options Post Reply Quote curmudgeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 12:23am
	Bases look ok Luc but you need some Niteforce rings..., in Leopold I prefer the 50mm objective, with SF. Otherwise the Niteforce 5.5x22 In Leopold MK 4 only... But the Niteforce is much betterv when you are cranking back anf forth everal times a day from a 100 yd. zero to 7,8,900 yds. We probably do that more here than what you would do there. 100 yd zero is just a reference point we shoot for groups here at 500....We expect 3 shots under a 1/2" here where most are satisfied with that at 100 yds. Geography makes the difference.. :-)

Luc V. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1433	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luc V. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 1:09pm
	Lee, thanks for the comments. While I agree that Nightforce are very good scopes, I chose the Leupold years ago as the best what was available at that time. Never felt the need to change for the limmited shooting I can do here. I realize that shooting the 300 winmag at this distance is very near for such caliber, but I rather shoot it at just 100 meter than not shooting it at all. The 40mm objective is just fine to use on paper targets, we have good lights in the range and I know where the targets are before I start shooting, so I think the 50mm is not really neccesary for me. I do whish we could shoot at longer distances, but our gouv't has an allergy for shooting ranges........... oh, and forget about hunting here, we have not much to hunt for anyway.........

curmudgeon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List R.I.P. Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Location: hagerman,NM Status: Offline Points: 747	Post Options Post Reply Quote curmudgeon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 5:36pm
	Luc, my comments were for comparison only not meant to devalue your choice or your reasoning by any means. 40 MM Objective I have used most of the time for the same reasons as yourself. I have always been a Leupold fan, but the main reason for the Nitefore is durability and the coil spring adjustments being more positive than the leaf spring used in all other scopes. As I switched back and forth from the smaller calibers to 50 BMG rifles, the durability showed up. This is not a problem for most shooters. But starting about 10 years ago I started getting back more into rifles. Both building and shooting than in handguns, still Big Game hunt with a handgun, but Varmints, and Targets with the rifle as well as building them....Cheers

Luc V. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1433	Post Options Post Reply Quote Luc V. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Apr 2008 at 6:18pm
	Lee, I didn't took your comments as negative, on the contrary! I was just giving the reason why I chose this combination of rifle-scope etc. in my above post. While we're at this subject, do have you experience with Swarowski scopes and 50 caliber rifles. We have a customer with a Steyr 50 rifle, and he want nothing else but Swarowski scopes. Thanks, Luc.