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    Posted: 10 Dec 2011 at 3:24pm
Gentlemen,
Somewhere along the line I read some place that there are two lengths of recoil rods. Anyone know anything about this? My North Hollywood takes 200(?)mm rods? I can't remember or I am remembering incorrectly.

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It's not the length that matters LOL,but the diameter makes a differance.
You're correct there are two sizes recoil rods, but only in diameter.
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Thanks for the reply Luc. Do you by chance know the diameter sizes? I know my N.H. takes the larger size but will the small size work just as well?
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Smaller one is .182 and larger one is .200 diameter.
 
I don't think they are interchangeable. Also from my memory, some pepole reported that their guns came with mix of those two sizes, say left rod is .200 and right rod is .182. It's hard to believe, but maybe that was the level of quality control at the factory at one point.
 
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Originally posted by Yoshi Yoshi wrote:

some pepole reported that their guns came with mix of those two sizes, say left rod is .200 and right rod is .182. It's hard to believe, but maybe that was the level of quality control at the factory at one point.
 
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I doubt they were shipped that way, my guess is that they were either lunch box guns or someone swapped one of them at one point in the guns life.
 
But then again never say never,,,
Who was that masked man,,,
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I would be interested in buying a couple of the .200 diameter rods if someone has them for sale. Springs as well.

Thank you for clarifying my clouded mind gentlemen.
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Originally posted by Auto Mag Auto Mag wrote:

Originally posted by Yoshi Yoshi wrote:

some pepole reported that their guns came with mix of those two sizes, say left rod is .200 and right rod is .182. It's hard to believe, but maybe that was the level of quality control at the factory at one point.  
Yoshi
I doubt they were shipped that way, my guess is that they were either lunch box guns or someone swapped one of them at one point in the guns life.
 
But then again never say never,,,
 
Well George, I'm pretty sure mine came with two different recoilrods.
I posted this looong time ago.
I bought my TDE third hand, and knew the previous owners. The first owner just shot couple of mags with the original supplied ammo. (CDM) I even have the ammo box with the rest of the cartridges.
Number two owner inherited all the guns from the first owner (his hunting partner, which died in a car crash).
Number two owner never shot a round trough the barrel of the Automag.  He was not interested in handguns, but kept it 'just to look at' for a time. 
He sold it later to number three owner (me myself and ILOL) and I discovered that the recoil rods where two diffrent sizes, since I did shot it, cleaned, stripped, etc.
Thanks to this forum -or better the older one from Rick- I found the correct sizes of rods, and have now two "large sizes" in the pistol.
 
So it must be true that some guns where shipped with two sizes rods, as I'm sure the previous owners never took the Automag appart.
 
Lunchbox pistol?, I doubt it if mine was, it is a "lions head" TDE.
Quality control?, was there ever such a thing in the Automag production? I remember that Lee Juras once said that ALL automags are actually prototypes.Wink
 
Oh, one thing is sure, mine was proof tested in the Belgian proofhouse, and passed the safety proof with 50% overpressure... 
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Hey Luc,
      I assume that the Proof House has marked it accordingly, Have you posted pictures of the proof marks?  How many and where do they mark the Auto Mag?

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I would be interested in the process that you have to go through for the proffing, if you would not mind posting it Luc.Geek

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Hi Luc,
 
Like I said "never say never"  but I still have my doubts,,,
 
When it comes to Auto Mags I have met very few 100% "original" owners.  I can even tell you about several who thought they were and had been sold previously owned guns by less than honest gun dealers,,, 
 
Who knows, maybe they (the factory) did it intentionally due to a shortage of the smaller/new style rods, or maybe someone thought this was a better idea for some reason. 
 
Wonder if Bruce can shed some light on this. 
 
Just curious, what serial number range is your gun? (6000 - 6500, 6500 - 7000, 7000+)
 
Also wondering what specs the proof house folks used.  50% over pressure is a lot if they used original loading data, I'm not sure you could you could get enough powder in the case to get it that high, or maybe they stop at a case full of powder???
 
Guess this is one of the reasons Auto Mags are so interesting, their history if so complex and undocumented,,,
 
Who was that masked man,,,
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MK,
here some info about the proofmarks from the Liege proofhouse on my Automag:
 
 
The three major important parts need to be stamped with the accepted proofmark:
The barrel, the frame and the bolt.
Barrel:
 
 
Frame, just in front of the trigger guard:
 
The bolt:
 
 
 
Same procedure on the AMT V, barrel, frame and slide (which acts as the bolt)
 
 
 
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