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    Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 5:40pm
I have 2 automagII and 1 automagIII all bought used and they all have bent hammer struts. If I straighten them out the just bend again after racking the gun a few times.
This must be a common problem as all 3 guns came from different owners. What causes it and how can I prevent it.
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Yes, straighten them is just good for ashort period. Replace them with new struts.
The hammerstruts bent when you drop the hammer (by accident) when the slide is not on the frame.
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Originally posted by Luc V. Luc V. wrote:

Yes, straighten them is just good for ashort period. Replace them with new struts.
The hammerstruts bent when you drop the hammer (by accident) when the slide is not on the frame.
 
What Luc said is absolutely correct. It is a flaw in the otherwise awesome design.
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Ok, I'll ask what is on some of a lot our minds and be the Village Idiot;  can't the struts be hardened? or rehardened... or harder? without being brittle?

 
 
 
 
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There's a fine line with parts this small and of this configuration between too hard and too soft. Heat treating them most likely would have added the element of breakage in the field and I'm sure Larry thought about that. I'm afraid that it would only have changed the bent strut into a broken strut. The struts in their current form seem to last a lifetime as long as the hammer is not mistakenly dropped without the slide in place. Just a thought. Big smile

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Thanks for the help. Looks to me the stuts are bent back. If it was due to fireing with out the slide on would it not be bent forward? I was thinking the slide was cooming back too far and pushing the hammer back and down  too far causing the strut to hit the back part of the spring hole and bending it back.
I may be wrong though as the guns came to me used.
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Originally posted by sirsaka sirsaka wrote:

There's a fine line with parts this small and of this configuration between too hard and too soft. Heat treating them most likely would have added the element of breakage in the field and I'm sure Larry thought about that. I'm afraid that it would only have changed the bent strut into a broken strut. The struts in their current form seem to last a lifetime as long as the hammer is not mistakenly dropped without the slide in place. Just a thought. Big smile

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Newbee,
 
The strut may get bent rearward with time but yes you are right, the strut will be bent severely forward after only one drop of the hammer without the slide in place. This will cause problems such as feeding, misfires and short cycling.
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need some pics of this bent thingy. I have never seen one bent, shot my III-30 may times no issue with factory stuff. Maybe the last owners hot-loads caused it? Will they still function bent or what happens when they do bend? How did you notice they were bent?
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The first time I took the gun out the hammer was sticking. When I took it apart I found the strut and spring bent back back and binding. 
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