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Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:


Maynard had a good looking profile on his 44 barrels also in my opinion.





Where on gods green earth are you boys coming up with all these 8 1/2" vent rib barrels.  I must be shopping at the wrong walmart 

Just thinking how different the 8 1/2" full size guns look compared to that little AutoMag with the curved backstrap that looked like a P38.  I seem to recall the gent up in washington who was writing the book had one made by Larry G. Bet it would make a good carry gun (size-wise)  Dont recall if it was a 357 or 44 but either way the muzzle blast from the shorty barrel would probly blind the shooter and the target.  -Joe
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Sorry I am late to the party, here.  Had to help my mom with some stuff.

There are a couple things to note about the aesthetics in this discussion.

I think just about everyone, even Patrick, would agree that the original barrel and rib profile is most attractive...but by omitting the E-Beam weld and interpolating the rib there were only so many options that could be realistically chosen.

A future state change to the barrel interpolation that meets more in the middle is a distinct possiblity but I personally agreed with Patrick that, at the time it was most important to get a working shooting gun to market.  Who knows what the future will hold.

As a shooter, let me say that though the 8.5 inch gun is a BEAST...it is amazingly light in the hand!!!  My dad even commented the same thing immediately when he picked it up.




On to polishing:  these initial guns are a hi-polish finish because the customers wanted that.  I didn't.  But everyone else did....or most everyone.  So, Auto Mag did their darndest to bring the guns out as a high polish gun.....and dear GOD are they gorgeous......BUT....

Let's mix the sights in with this:  the big flat blade rear sights that everyone wants are gorgeous....but, right now, if these guns had those sights....I would be in the hospital getting stitches because everyone HAD to have a polished cocking knob.

Guess what.....just TRY charging this gorgeous beasts for the first time with a cocking knob you can't a solid hold onto and then having to overhand it and slicing your hands open on the square blade.....because THAT is exactly what would have happened. 

My cocking knob is coming off this weekend and getting glass beaded.

You can't blame Auto Mag for this.  This is what the customers wanted...


Now, those of you who are collecting these initial guns....you are not gonna believe how gorgeous the machine work is on these.

When I say the uppers are Les Baer quality...I am NOT kidding you.

I have a bunch more technical comments but I am rambling because I am burning the candle at both ends and then some.

Suffice it to say that, these guns make me feel like I am "home".....they make me feel GOOD.....

and yeah...I already want another.....

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Nice to see an actual owner write an honest review.

Also nice to see someone really enjoy their new purchase.

For most of us working class folks, buying a gun as expensive as an AutoMag is major life event, and you hope and pray you get what you think you were buying.  Many time I did not get what I thought I was buying and it was not very enjoyable to realize that you were not going to be that happy owner/customer you hoped you would be.  But when it all does work out as good as you hoped, its a marvelous thing. 

Happy to see it was a positive experience for you this time.  -Joe
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BTW - Would really enjoy seeing a picture of you with your new prize and a great big grin.  -Joe
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Originally posted by Pasadena-Joe Pasadena-Joe wrote:

BTW - Would really enjoy seeing a picture of you with your new prize and a great big grin.  -Joe


My photgrpaher has the darn flu and the range master was busy chatting it up with the girls because it was ladies night.

LOL...I had quite the chorus line going at the range.  The RO oustide the glass was laughing because ( as he said ) every time I pulled the trigger, EVERY LADY IN THE HOUSE JUMPED ABOUT A FOOT IN THE AIR!!!

( and yes, as a gentleman [albeit a very ugly one ] I did apologize to the ladies for the noise.


In a sentence, let me describe my feelings for my AutoMag.....

It made me feel like I was home again.


THAT is a good feeling.

I can't wait to do some mods, do some more shooting and have more fun!!!!


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Cold again in the shop so I have some time to catch up on reading and posting. So much for global warming.

Some of this may seem off topic but after reading several pages of posts I will cover as much as I can hopefully without boring anyone.

In regards to the California compliant pistols. I spoke with the lady who handles the firearms approval for the State of California while with Auto Mag. There were several things required such as a magazine safety to disable the firearm when the magazine is removed, loaded  chamber indicator, firing pin block and a bolt face with micro stamping info that would be impressed into the cartridge head when fired. I made a loaded chamber indicator, firing pin block that would pass the drop test and a magazine safety disconnect that worked well. After all of this the bolts would have to be modified to micro stamp which is expensive and then the pistol would have had to be sent to a California approved private testing lab which costs 100K plus to satisfy the State of California until another law is passed. Would it be worth the added expense? I have no idea. I really hate to try and pacify anti gun States that basically write the rules as they go with their primary goal being to prohibit firearms from being sold in their State. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me. My understanding is the firearms can be manufactured in California but cannot be sold in California. I also made some crude drawings of a single shot bolt action Auto Mag that could later be user converted to a semi auto by replacing parts.

As far as the revolver type muzzle crown goes "I do not like it".  The first thing I did when I received the Classic type upper was test and cut the protruding radiused crown off and recess a 11 degree crown just enough to crown the bore to allow a perfect bullet release. The revolver type crown and rib were carryovers from the "X" design which was being implemented before I arrived.

As far as the rolled revolver type crown increasing the speed at which the upper travels rearward I found that by removing the accelerator and using a copper crush pellet super glued at the runout of the frame lug channel that the flat barrel face with 11 degree crown resulted in 1.5 to 2 thousandths more crush applied to the pellet by the barrel extension lug versus the rolled crown. I also added dry pine fine sawdust to the powder as a smoke generator to watch the plume at the end of the barrel when the bullet exited the barrel. With the rolled crown I saw the dreaded doughnut. Basically the pressure plume expands in diameter as the bullets exits the barrel and slips off the rolled crown back towards the shooter and dissipates. I noticed the flat barrel face would direct the expanding plume outward pretty much in an even manner. I do not know whether the two different type crowns would affect spectrum reliability as no testing was done by me in that area  but could possibly be of some benefit in marginal load / operating situations. To sum all of this banter up in one long sentence I would say that the flat face barrel allowed the expanding gasses to act on the face of the barrel for a longer interval compared to the rolled radiused crown or the protruding radiused crown being removed slightly lightened the upper causing a slightly faster rearward movement causing more crush to the pellet. I do however agree with Eric that muzzle crowns can be manipulated to gain speed of movement of a given mass  resulting in greater delivery of energy to accomplish a desired result. Deep 11 degree crowns actually act as a mild muzzle booster when the outer diameter is sufficient for a wide deepened 11 degree crown or stepped crown.

As far as the rib design goes " I do not like it". This is also a "X" design carryover although it does simplify manufacture it is not pleasing to the eye in my opinion.
The barrel could be manufactured with the square steel posts milled and slotted at the top integral to the barrel and the rib could be T slotted on the bottom to slip on top of the posts and be bound in position when the barrel is clocked on and the ribs on the barrel and barrel extension meet. A lot of work. This is not an original idea as many vent rib shotguns use a slotted slide on rib. I also know the "X" design was using the Bomar rear sight and was initially carried over to the Classic and there was a problem with the elevation adjustments not being adequate due to a good portion of the elevation screw needing to be removed to eliminate it's protrusion into the area the frame bolt ring occupies. Hopefully this has been corrected.

As far as the new magazines go I do not have one. The quick take down magazine improvement I designed was simple and did not require a removable floor plate. You merely pressed the follower downward to the enlarged opening at the bottom of the pin slot then remove the follower pin. Then the follower was allowed to move upward until the bottom of the follower was slightly above the hole in the center of the magazine. Insert the follower pin or any suitable pin to catch the magazine spring, release pressure on the follower and shake it out then remove the pin from the hole and let the magazine spring exit ( under pressure so be safe). I could disassemble the magazine  in less that 20 seconds and put it back together in about 30 seconds. In my experience a removable floor plate can be a source of trouble when the magazine is dropped on it's base.

As far as the grips go I am a fan of the fully checkered Pasadena grips even though they can be rough on old thin skin like mine. Most of the shots fired by me when testing were done with no grips on the pistol. I still crack walnuts bare handed so grip strength is not an issue for me. When the weather warms up I will crank up the old North Star Mastercarver and make some gaboon ebony grips and hand checker 18 lpi and maybe cast some sterling silver grip emblems for them. Unfortunately by the time you learn how to do these things you are too old and tired to do them.

Please remember I am no longer with Auto Mag and changes may have been made after my tenure that I am not aware of.

Glad you are having fun Tony! Was it the noise or the big grin that startled the ladies. LOl

My apologies for another long winded post.

Kind regards
Tim Bell






 
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You might could try masking the edges of your cocking piece and then only glass bead the section where your fingers grab it, that way you keep some of the custom appearance but add your own touch to it.  Well its just a thought.  I also seem to recall LEJ doing something like that with the rear sight blade and the rib, blasting it so as to keep the glare down. -Joe

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Originally posted by Pasadena-Joe Pasadena-Joe wrote:

You might could try masking the edges of your cocking piece and then only glass bead the section where your fingers grab it, that way you keep some of the custom appearance but add your own touch to it.  Well its just a thought.  I also seem to recall LEJ doing something like that with the rear sight blade and the rib, blasting it so as to keep the glare down. -Joe



I will do exactly that!  Good idea.
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I can only say BRAVO to you Mr. Bell for your way to technical for me comments.  I may not fully grasp all you say, but I sure enjoy the hell out of it. 

Cant say either way that you are right or wrong or that there is only one answer for the issues discussed here, but you seem to speak with knowledge and without prejudice against any person so I appreciate your thoughtful comments and wisdom. 

Sure seems like you have a passion for firearms science, must be very rewarding to work in a field they you enjoy so much. 

Again, bravo and thanks for your comments.  -Joe
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Thank you and the pleasure is mine Pasadena Joe.

When the Auto Mag first came out I could not afford one but now, even though I am not a fan of the core design of the pistol own quite a few Auto Mags.
 
I do occasionally enjoy shooting the .357amp and hope the guy's will get that caliber going for the Classic soon.

You are also correct in that there is always more than one way to skin a cat. In firearms design there are solutions that sometimes seem foolish but were implemented to dodge patent infringement or trade dress issues. I try hard to never rely on any information without testing and proving.

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