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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CrazyLarry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I sent an email to Patrick today seeing if he has firmed up the timeline but I have not heard back.

I don't believe they have the frames finished just yet.

When last I heard, they were still doing Q-A on what they were getting in. But, I've not heard anything more as of yet.

I don't belive they have enough frames to move into machining quantity yet. I don't really expect them to do less than 10 at a time for a given run.

They were/are on track to ship before Jan. But I suspect an update in a week or two.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JTaylorIV Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 8:27pm
I see Patrick sent out the latest news letter    Smile

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Each day brings us closer...

We are building the first few samples in to complete Auto Mag pistols.
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John
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It looks as if they got the issues with the castings sorted out. 
Once they complete machining on their samples, they can decided how/when to do the next batch of 300.

From what i can tell, they have 25-30 frames they are doing detailed QC on, so, its very possible they could have the required number of frames finished in 30 days. (knock on wood)

[I thought there were only like 250 original orders placed during their "flash" sale date, but, they have requests for several times that since then. I don't have visibility into the exact number, just what I know from speaking to Patrick.

Still hoping for something from them into my FFL by Christmas.

Magazines are another issue... time will tell. I plan to get 3 extra magazines so I don't end up like those Bren Ten owners with guns but no mags to load ammo with.
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Originally posted by CrazyLarry CrazyLarry wrote:

I know Ruger does this, to a certain extent with some of their parts.


Ruger are probably *the* experts in investment casting. After designing the Model 77 rifle to use investment castings, they quickly wound up setting up their own foundry to get a supply of decent parts. And now they're so big they (at least used to) do castings for other gun manufacturers as well as other industries.

A lot of investment casters make big claims about their capabilities, but AMT found they weren't able to deliver on their claims. Bob B talked about frames that sagged in the front, were warped across the magwells, and acne-spotted with porosity.

In the 45 years since, I don't think the state of the art has advanced much.
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Originally posted by TRX302 TRX302 wrote:

[QUOTE=CrazyLarry]

In the 45 years since, I don't think the state of the art has advanced much.


Something is always changing. Look at the potential changes to traditional sand molding foundry work. I have no doubt investment casting has its share of changes also...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LFGnjkoeDng

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Originally posted by TRX302 TRX302 wrote:

 

In the 45 years since, I don't think the state of the art has advanced much.

I respectfully disagree. [NOTE: what we see in the video is not indicative of all casting technologies]

I worked in the auto industry enough to know that things change with several parts suppliers in 25 years, let alone 45.

There are lots of changes that have been made regarding temp control, rate of pour, types of mold material, ...etc. as part of the casting process. Even sprue design has benefited from years of research specific to how aluminum flows at different temps and the best way to get gas to escape w/o resorting to complex pressure vessels.

Just look at how Edelbrock has changed how they make cylinder heads.


The basics are still there, but, the process and control are vastly improved.

Now, I would argue that not all parts or designs require the same level of attention to detail.

The QC for a V8 cylinder head requires much more care than casting a bottle open.

Please do not interpret my follow up post as any form of personal attack. I only intend to point out a a position which contradicts my personal experience.
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I appreciate that they're trying to make these the best they are able, truly. However I'm going to
grit my teeth and try to return to my original POV regarding delivery of these things. I'll believe it when I see it in hand.

Jerry
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