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Originally posted by TankMan TankMan wrote:

Who knows perhaps Ghost Gunner will come up with a CNC program to make new frames...
sort of a DIY AutoMag...


Jerry

You are greatly over estimating the capabilities of this small horizontal mill.  Even if it could cut stainless (without a cooling system I might add), it would still require a 80% milled forging or casting to complete. 
Which brings us back to the problem that the Automag is currently experiencing. 

The DD GG3 looks amazing, but it’s not up to the task of milling an automag frame. 
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Originally posted by Littlefieldk Littlefieldk wrote:

Originally posted by TankMan TankMan wrote:

Who knows perhaps Ghost Gunner will come up with a CNC program to make new frames...
sort of a DIY AutoMag...


Jerry

You are greatly over estimating the capabilities of this small horizontal mill.  Even if it could cut stainless (without a cooling system I might add), it would still require a 80% milled forging or casting to complete. 
Which brings us back to the problem that the Automag is currently experiencing. 

The DD GG3 looks amazing, but it’s not up to the task of milling an automag frame. 


It was a joke. Some of the early GG machines had a tough time with aluminum... I sold mine so I have a little experience with them.

Jerry
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Originally posted by TankMan TankMan wrote:

Originally posted by Littlefieldk Littlefieldk wrote:

Originally posted by TankMan TankMan wrote:

Who knows perhaps Ghost Gunner will come up with a CNC program to make new frames...
sort of a DIY AutoMag...


Jerry

You are greatly over estimating the capabilities of this small horizontal mill.  Even if it could cut stainless (without a cooling system I might add), it would still require a 80% milled forging or casting to complete. 
Which brings us back to the problem that the Automag is currently experiencing. 

The DD GG3 looks amazing, but it’s not up to the task of milling an automag frame. 


It was a joke. Some of the early GG machines had a tough time with aluminum... I sold mine so I have a little experience with them.

Jerry

I would not worry... I saw the humor in your post... (sometimes a little snark helps those who have been waiting 2+ years)


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Originally posted by Littlefieldk Littlefieldk wrote:

let me guess. Three months...I’ve heard that many times. Still waiting on my gun ordered over two years ago with a three month delivery projection. 

Just curious, is there a point at which you see yourself  asking for a refund? Mark that on your calendar.
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Everyone has a threshold, once crossed they'll pull back. The person hasn't been born who will wait forever given an alternative.

I bailed after a year and a half. Not sure if I was an early FE purchaser; Sept of 2017 but by year end 2018 I was done.  I have no doubt everyone has a limit unless they just don't care and if so then the entire question is just moot.

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I'd not looked at part 1 of this thread before. It was started in February of 2016 around the time that the website for The New AutoMag went live. I didn't investigate as to how much later they began  accepting orders. It would seem that the concept of a new Automag has been live for the better part of 4 years now. That is quite a while.

No use in hashing around 'woulda, coulda, shouldas' as everyone is likely to be armed with their own idea as to how the project might have unfolded.

I sure don't have a solution or better idea as to what their next move should be. I still think they should (oops- shoulda!) have aimed for a proven design, deliver those and begin an improvement program from there. I'm still puzzled as to how the original makers were able to get usable frames 40 years ago and they can't today with all the improvement in manufacturing that should have happened since. Whether or not the new frame design just doesn't lend itself to normal techniques or any new ones  is a question. Part of designing anything is keeping an eye to how you are going to make it and a casting of any sort is no exception. I was recently involved with designing patterns for reproducing the road wheel axles in 1/10 scale for a model of a German Tiger II. What is doable in full size doesn't lend itself in a smaller scale even if redesigned. The parts are deceptively complex and require either lost wax, or a mold/ pattern with multiple loose or removable pieces. And then there's metal flow- you might have a great molding method but will the metal flow into it well? The person who requested the effort gave in to production limitations, concessions to scale just so the thing could be made at a reasonable cost.

I hope Patrick has or will soon lick the remaining issues they have. I still want a new AMP....

Jerry
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All your questions can be explained in two words: TINKER BELL. . . But don't worry, his Free Energy Perpetual Motion Machine, will also be ready in just 3 more months. . . Just ask Larry Grossman!
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I don't know that person but you might be on to something Wink 
Some people do things just for the notoriety of making or owning something like this big hunk of stainless
I have said it before, Patrick should have keep quiet about his plans of remaking the Automag and one day spring the news on the world.
New  .44 Automags in stock and ready for immediate delivery Big smile but he chose another direction and its been kicking his ass for several years, will he ever survive this.......................
Hope it works out for everyone trying to resurrect the Automag and all the people patiently waiting.
Ed
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Can anyone tell me if Automag was at the Shot Show this year?
After remaining quiet for a very long time, I finally went to Patrick's website and sent a message through it requesting to purchase just the 8 1/2" upper - not the complete gun - just the upper.

It's been about a week & a half or two weeks and guess what?

No response.

Has anyone else run into this issue through the website? Dare I attempt and call directly? I kinda figured they would be able to hook me up with an upper, being that the big hold up is the lowers? 

If I can't get confirmation & delivery on an upper within a two month time frame, I'm moving on - done  - finito. I'll try and re-barrel an original upper myself, just hope I can get the rib done properly!
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