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    Posted: 14 Aug 2019 at 7:37pm
Hello to all
I am here to ask every ones opinion on something, I have wanted to bring this up for a long time but asked Ian what he thought and if he minded and he's the person that said I should ask every one.
I collect red line Hot Wheels from the 60s and on our board we have a section called the toilet where collectors can warn others about deals that went bad as in misrepresented condition or possibly fake or restored / touched up cars or worse, never received. Its not a place to bitch but rather a place to protect other unsuspecting collectors from what we just went thru, its there to help the community out in the long run that's all.

Case in point I have been on this board since early April of 2019 and have met many wonderful people that are not only willing to talk but help out by sharing there knowledge of Auto Mags.
Well I have also met a couple of people that are lets just say in this hobby and on this site as a way for there bragging rights on what they have, I did meet a person on this site that is no longer active due to a stroke and being a stroke survivor thought we would hit it off, we did and I bought several things from him but when they arrived and I questioned him on the parts he said he must have made a mistake and he would exchange them, well after a week he got the broken parts back in 2 days and i'm still waiting on his replacements and that's because he has yet to ship them out, he got the broken parts back and then accused me of switching the parts but I have the emails he sent with his pics and if you look closely you can see the broken part, he wont return emails any more and I was lucky and got the correct parts. Point is everyone makes mistakes but the minute you lie to cover up for it your guilty.
This is what this is all about being able to warn others on what happened to you and to possibly save them from going thru the same grief ??????
What do you think.
Ed 
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I've fortunately not been burned but I'd like to know of any bad apples, personally.
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I was contact by a long time member and he likes the idea but was wondering why I did not mention his name ????????????,

 I guess my stroke keep paying me back in dividends, you know something he was right so the users name is PONTIAKER / Matt Cucchiara, nice guy that just had some bad luck or was it ??????

I found an old post he had about spare parts he had for sale, well after 6 weeks we connect and I bought a set of new , never fried grips, two mags and a set of 4 screws I like spare  parts, it took about a week but I did get them but the left grip was broken by the safety, well he said he was sorry and that why he was not selling parts and what ever but the grip was broken and was missing a piece and it's clearly visible in the pics he sent, I just trusted him, he claimed I switched them, long story he no longer responds to texts and I will never deal with him again, I did give him the benefit of have a stroke but so did I and he was trying to pull a fast one on me so all bets are off.

Strange I have had 2 different members contact me that they had the same kinda things happen to them from slow shipping to embellishing the condition of parts from the same person and one was before his stroke so this has happened before, if you deal with Matt, you have been warned.

This is why I thought this would be good for the board, keeping it honest and stopping issues before they get out of hand, as far as the other  person here I think its just a ego that needs to be stroked once a day on how great they think they are so no need to bring it to everyone attention but once someone lies or tries to cheat someone out of money or product / parts all bets are off.

This is not meant to shame people just to tell the truth once all other remedies have failed and to protect others.

Hope the member that contacted me today understands now Wink and thank you for your support on this.
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So you think a "bitch backstab" thread would work?

Ok, first lets pull up our big boy pants up and think about this.

You admit he gave pics of said item(grips) and it clearly showed damage. You just went with his ad words and discard the fact that the pic showed otherwise(assumed he said new/lightly used no chip/dent etc.). So now you're mad he didn't right away believe you. Then you tell him to look at his own pics to see the damage that you now seen yourself but still brought them anyway on his wording and you don't expect him to have hard feelings about it? Yeah, maybe he made a honest mistake but maybe you should have asked more about these and stated the way they looked in the picture he posted/sent. 

Now he might have already spent this money and can't get it back, sure he feels bad but you had the pics to see what they were and didn't care enough to LOOK at them. Now who is going to "eat" to shipping and FFL charges (none here but you get the point). I think most resale items are considered "as-is" sale in the eyes of the law UNLESS stated otherwise or total misrepresentation is done, which is very gray here. Pics showed it, not sure of his wording but that alone should tell YOU to ask more questions and maybe for more detail pics of the area in question. Just because you have a few things in common don't make you "buddies", sounds like you both had bad days doing this deal. The only saving part is the pics show damage before shipping but on the other hand you should have questioned the damage of said pics and moved along.

I have done many sales/buys through the "net", you have to assume everybody is a scammer and wants your money! So YOU need to do a little homework to avoid it or get bit a few times. I give you some ideas now that I have learned that worked well for me. Some might think this is extreme but it works for me.

Ask the seller for more detail pics of each side and inside if possible/needed. Pics are free now with all our digital stuff and to post/send them is cheap/easy. No reason not to get them nowadays as it cost nothing but a little time. Seller doesn't want to bother, move on!
Ask the seller if he list any on the public auction sites, gunbroker, gunsamerica, auction arms, etc. and if he currently has any running auctions, what are the items. Tell him you are going to "look him up there" to check his feedbacks for reference. You can ask him for a few references, yeah they can be fake. Most gun auctions have feedbacks that tell you his story, if he sells it will also show what city/state he is in to confirm where you send the money should be close to that area. If he uses somebody else name off the auction site and then gives a city/state that dosen't match, move along FAST! 

Always go over each pic to make sure the item was shown completely, if there is a spot he missed, ask for it. Maybe there's a rust spot there or dent. If it's not an auction you're doing like this one, write a detail "agreement email", stating what you are buying in detail, state condition, the amount you are paying (if layaway payments are agreed to make sure to DATE when payments are due as well as loss of deposit money if agreement is not completed- lots of details with this issue). Always "copy and save" the pics for reference if there is a issue, I save pics in a file for a couple reasons. First, it shows what I own once I get it, more important is for insurance in case of fire/thieft. 

YES, I use an 'External Hard Drive" that these files are saved on that goes into the vault for safe keeping, this serves a few purposes, if your computer crashes you still have the info., somebody steals your computer, you still have the your info. and he doesn't, somebody hacks into your computer while you're at the porn site, they don't get your info.(stay off the porn sites, lol)! Get the idea here? 


Even on this board you can figure out who is ok to deal with, look their name up here. Now check how many threads they posted in and go read their comments. Is he helping others, posting pics and explain details of certain items, does his posts contain real true info about that item or is he just talking to talk? Most here help a lot of people, just need to do some work to "weed" out the shady ones.

Now back to the thread hope, do you know if you post things up on the net it is NOT "free speech" and what you say can and will be use against you in the court of law? They call it "slander" and it has been used for lawsuits. If you watch enough "peoples court" and other courts programs they have won big against posts like this because of intent. Who wants to go through all that? I also heard/seen that the court ordered posts to be removed, does Ian really need this hassle to "help" you avoid a scammer which you were to lazy to help yourself? A board section is not the cure for this or other "throw the guy under the bus" type of talk, do yourself a favor and know the seller or item better before throwing money at them. 


I hope this post helps other avoid your mistake but name calling out isn't helping anybody as now he can post your the idiot. You seen the pics and agreed to "as-is", now your crying foul. So where did that get us? Also the court thing as it does happen over smaller cost item than your grips just for spite! Are we going to try to run a "seller do not buy from list" here? WE need to do our part of checking out the seller each time, if you depend on others, who is going to be the first one to get bit to post up the warning and then the seller post his side and before you know it there is a bitch fight. Remember, you want the first bit to post, so there is no history yet of the person doing this and he can reply and where is that going to take this board?

I hope others can understand what I posted to help them from the "bite", that is what we should do here. Advise on how to avoid the "bite". Any other ways to avoid bad transactions are welcome. My experience is from over 300 buys and sell over the net, some deal as low as $100 and as high as $20,000 so yeah I'm talking from what I learned.

Nothing personal against anybody posting here, it's a dangerous world out there and YOU need to help yourself through it safely and not depend on others as much because you may be the first Vitim!

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Well I take it you don't like the idea. 
I did send Ian a private message asking his thought and he was the one who said to post it and ask, he said he liked the idea.
I'm not throwing anyone under the bus, yes I should have checked the pics better but after my stroke my eye sight has been affected, I looked at the amount of posts the seller had and he had lots, that proves nothing....... and it was only $100 for the grips, no ones going to loose sleep or loose there house over that. 
Being part of the board means something especially if you have lots of sales but again that means nothing, its all based on trust.
I have collected Red Line Hot Wheels for years and your word speaks for its self, if you have a reputation of being dishonest no one will deal with you, I have had deals from one car going for a few hundred to an unopened case I found, I paid $18,000 for 96 cars and 4 of them sold for $2,000 each and when I do deals with toys I give a money back guarantee if there not 100% happy unless they changed something but again its all has to do who your doing the transaction with that's all.
so your not for it that's great, I will let others speak up and if more people are not on board i'm not going to rock the boat.

It was an idea but a very well connected member asked why I did not list the person , that was the point and I agreed and listed him.

and to Ian, if you dont like this idea in any way cancel the post and no big deal, I have met people that I trust and are willing to help if I ever have a question
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Hummm,,,,  well this is certainly an interesting thread.

 

So far as I have seen over the last forever since the beginning time year(s) we HAVE posted such information on this and the previous sites.

 

The only difference is that it was not posted to a specific section of the forum (such as a toilet), such posts just ended up mixed in with all the other posts. 

 

And fair warning,,,,  it was usually the person posting the information that got attacked the worst, not the seller or party being posted about.

 

As for this not being a place of free speech and being libel for slander, well I have heard this threatened countless times and NEVER once actually heard of anyone literally being sued. NEVER.

 

Max Gera used to threaten lawsuits so often and that he was getting his lawyer after you that it almost became a standing joke.  He would even post a picture of a ferocious angry German Shepard with some bizarre notion that it would scare you off.  Strange to see such a talented designer and a talented machinist turn out to be such a strange self-absorbed and obsessed with making a buck person that he alienated himself from some of his own biggest fans.

 

What has surprised me was that very few will ever stand up and push back against the genuine total ass who is bullying someone by making personal attacks and accusing members of being incompetent, or calling them drug addicts, or alcoholics, or worse.  The bullies seem to get away with it and with few challenges. 

 

If you have something to say, the only thing stopping you is how thick is your skin, and better be able to take a load of abuse as you will be counter attacked by the accused and all their friends and others who are just here to make a buck or have some personal vested interest and fear a financial risk for speaking up in defense of someone being wrongly or unreasonably attacked. 

 

On this site I hope everyone will agree that Ian has been an ideal host and has been very hands off on most personal disputes and only gotten involved when it got intolerably out of control.  I think he has let adults vent and attempt to settle their differences and then only cut things off where it was very clear it had crossed the line of unacceptable.  I think he has done a good job of staying out of mudslinging but not tolerated unending personal attacks.

 

If you are being honest and not posting personal attacks, I say have at it. 

 

Anyone who is here for the sole purpose to make a buck, self-promote their product, manipulate the market, rewrite history, and any other such nonsense can cry about their lost profits or harmed reputation until the internet runs out of space as far as I am concerned. 

 

This is not ebay or CNN, this is a forum dedicated to sharing information and to allow people interact and we are guests of a gracious host.  Act like reasonable adults and post factual information or reasonable opinion and keep your personal attacks and manipulation off the site and I doubt you will have any problem with our host or the legal system.

 

Other opinions will vary.

 

ATB

 

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I just don't think it's worth the LEGAL issue that might come up. If you really do your part of checking and asking questions and reference work, MOST are good to buy from. Your example has a few issues like I said and maybe he has become an issue of being a dishonest seller.  As long as you post the true facts, you can't lose in court either because the truth is not slander but it's that gray area and then is it worth the hassle? Like you said it wasn't a house or car sale and you won't lose sleep over it. 

I still think posting ways to help others know how to avoid these people is best because you will learn how to deal with seller not just but anywhere then. That fish story comes to mind.


People have named names before and if you guys feel the need to make a special thread of bad guys, even though there should be very few and maybe waste of thread space, go for it. I have no objections, just beware of rebuttals cause they will like GH said. Who is going to "police" this, how are they going to sort the truth and when to pull names/posts off? This board has been really good with the hands off until it gets bad, which it hasn't done too many times.

I always rather go positive and helping others and this just sounds like it can get ugly. Not saying it won't work BUT REALLY DO WE HERE HAVE THAT MANY BAD SELLERS? Maybe, maybe it's just been hidden for so long that others leave rather then post about it. So go ahead a make a thread and see how big it gets. Maybe and hopefully only one name will be on it and others will read this post about how to avoid most pitfalls and we won't have any more up on the "WALL of SHAME".

Again, nothing personal about your issue but you could have done more AND now the others can read this and learn from that too! Always do the pics, they are worth a thousand words. 
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Hey Scott, no one perfect and i'm the first to admit when I do something wrong but the minute you lie to cover it up that changes everything, 
yes Hot wheels are a giant market and you never know what you find unless your knowledgeable, lucky and look around, case in point I found a #B gun on gun broker that was in a fire almost complete and I took a gamble on it, found out the gun looks to never have been fired from the person that repaired it for me and i'm into it for well under half the price on a new one from Patrick, its was good luck and being at the right place at the right time.
I do agree most people might make it personal, keep it honest and to the point but not till you have tried to work it out like adults.
It was just an idea that's all, Ian is a great host and i'm not going to change his board, that's why I asked him his opinion and did as he asked, I will let him make the final decision, just thought it could help Wink
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I still laughing about you talking that cheap hot wheels stuff BUT it is a cool hobby and there is money in them for sure. Don't take offense, keep reading! I wish I kept my Hot Wheels in their boxes but I was a kid and wanted to play with them instead, guess that's why the boxed ones are so valuable! I really loved Matchbox cars better though and yeah I played with both. Funny how Matchbox didn't hold up value as much as the Hot Wheel stuff. I also remember something special about HW having different wheels on some models being better. So many "hobby clubs" now. Look at coins and of all things, Beenie Babies, OMG! By the way, I still have a few sitting in with my HO trains set stuff as I had a train layout with a town and cars and all that so I understand hobbies well. Thousands of dollars in some stuff people collect so yeah it's nice to have a check system but I believe people then get lazy and depend too much on them and that leads to dependency. Look at the lazy people we have now wanting FREE. Well I'm done on this subject, I NOT against it, just think there is better way to teach people to avoid them scammers. Im still waiting on the others to post their stories and who scammed them and how so the thread would become alive but nobody else yet!!?  I go get the popcorn.
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I wish they were the cheap .99 cents variety but there not, I was there to witness the sale a pre production Pink VW Beach Bomb sell for $72,000 and when you spend that kinda of cash you want it to be real and know where it came from and that's where reputations come in, I also collect Coins along with other items but as you say cheap Hot Wheels.................that there Not. Look it up and see for yourself. 
This is just to protect the hobby in general so I'm done on this like it great and if not that's great too Clap
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