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Topic: The New Automag Part 2
Posted By: Ian
Subject: The New Automag Part 2
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 7:43pm
This is a follow on from The New Automag Part 1 due to the number of posts:

The orgional thred can be found on the following URL: http://www.amtguns.info/the-new-automag_topic2024.html" rel="nofollow - The New Automag Part 1

Ian
 




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Posted By: JTaylorIV
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 7:51pm
Glad to see a new thread started.  Think Patrick will have this machine up and running soon.  I will admit I was one of the first and early few on board for the Classic edition.  I did back out but believe they will be in production and will be back to place my order again.


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Posted By: richie_b
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 10:18pm
I'm one of the late comers to place an order for the Classic Edition. I've owned an original .44 Auto Mag in 6 1/2" bbl configuration and like the looks better than the 8 1/2" version.

I'm not looking to pull out, but I would like to know if the CE's will be shipping by Xmas, or next Spring, or next Summer. 



Posted By: caz345
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2018 at 10:35pm
I could be wrong but I wouldnt plan on Christmas, maybe a few will ship by then but I dont think a vast amount would be done yet. I waiting for a FE but told Patrick Im in no hurry and to take their time and just make it right the first time so we dont have to deal with issues later. With Tim on board too things are only going to get better. Dont forget they still have a mess to clean up from the hurricane, thankfully the damage was minimal.


Posted By: Luvz2Shoot
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 2:24am
I was ugly in my post.  After hearing "maybe 2 more weeks" or "hopefully by next month" for too many months it was too much.

Tim, thank you for posting truth.  Clap Now i can understand the delay.  I'm hanging in there until i get it.  I may even pony up for a CE.  I definitely would like to send my shooter back and have an 8.5" and new bolt mated to it.  First things first, get the bugs worked out and get them into production!  LOL




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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 1:46pm
I am just hoping that this thread does not get to 122 pages before I get my Founder's Edition .Wink  


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 2:18pm
That depends on how many people post "other" things on the thread. If posts that only refer to this subject are done and not the airplane super sonic whatever or other whatevers are done in other threads than it won't get that big!


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 1:17am
I agree in principle, but sometimes a short tangent can be fun. And a good reference point if the post gets verrryyy long!

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Posted By: richie_b
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 3:05am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I am just hoping that this thread does not get to 122 pages before I get my Founder's Edition .Wink  


Wouldn't that depend on how many more hurricanes hit their location???  Unhappy

Has anyone heard from Henry or Tim about damages, power outages, looting, etc at the 'new' facility???



Posted By: AMPCollector
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 4:36am
Has anyone else noticed that the new automag web site has expired? Anyone have any insight on this?


Posted By: AMPCollector
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 4:42am
Scratch that.... not sure why I was getting that message.... found it😃👍


Posted By: richie_b
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 10:16am
Originally posted by AMPCollector AMPCollector wrote:

Scratch that.... not sure why I was getting that message.... found it😃👍


http://www.automag.com/ is still up. Nothing much new there, but it still seems functional.  Ermm


Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 1:32am
Next time you receive an error accessing a web resource try to capture a screen shot and include  it with your post to better demonstrate exactly what error you saw.

Jerry


Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 3:50am
Patrick has been pretty good about answering 'howzitgoing' emails. I've decided to stop bugging him, not that I did it a lot. I'll wait for the next update; he's also been pretty good at sending out an update just about every month. Bugging him isn't going to make the delivery any faster...

Jerry


Posted By: AMPNBS
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2018 at 2:57am
3 years ago, someone with knowledge, told Patrick, it will take 18 months to get it off the ground properly: Patrick said, I have a "gunsmith" who said he can do it in 6 months. . .
Some people will never learn!


Posted By: Travis Morgan
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by XP001 XP001 wrote:

That depends on how many people post "other" things on the thread. If posts that only refer to this subject are done and not the airplane super sonic whatever or other whatevers are done in other threads than it won't get that big!

Well there's one way to deal with that, and that would be to censor any comments that derail the topic 
.....or better yet - get paid to censor any negative comments that might put a bad light on stakeholders.

It seems to be the latest trend, as Youtube, Google, Twitter and many other social media orgs are doing this right now, as we sit here .... - 1st amendment be damned! Cry


Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 11:52pm
Originally posted by Travis Morgan Travis Morgan wrote:

Originally posted by XP001 XP001 wrote:

That depends on how many people post "other" things on the thread. If posts that only refer to this subject are done and not the airplane super sonic whatever or other whatevers are done in other threads than it won't get that big!

Well there's one way to deal with that, and that would be to censor any comments that derail the topic 
.....or better yet - get paid to censor any negative comments that might put a bad light on stakeholders.

It seems to be the latest trend, as Youtube, Google, Twitter and many other social media orgs are doing this right now, as we sit here .... - 1st amendment be damned! Cry


Yup spoken like a true Canadian.

No wonder you boys got so many problems up there. 

God forbid anyone say something you folks disagree with. 

Edit out comments or dont edit them, it wont change how long it will take them to get you a new Auto Mag.  It will take just as long as needed but thinking censoring comments will make any difference is about as stupid as paying years in advance for a gun that is not yet even designed, so its just about right.

Sure hope they get you all the guns you expect, I cant imagine how much crying and accusations of fraud and robbery will get posted if these poor fellows don't get it done.  -Joe




Posted By: Capn27
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 12:26am
Originally posted by Travis Morgan Travis Morgan wrote:

[QUOTE=XP001].... - 1st amendment be damned! Cry


Notwithstanding the 1st Amendment, people don't seem to understand that the freedom of the press requires ownership (or control) of a press.

If I don't live long enough to get my FE, I pray that my son will.

Rich
Gig Harbor, Socialist Western Washington State


Posted By: Travis Morgan
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 5:17am
Originally posted by Pasadena-Joe Pasadena-Joe wrote:


Yup spoken like a true Canadian.

-Joe 

Why thank you Joe, for all your thoughtful insight, observations and kind wishes regarding my previous comments.

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Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 10:19am
Travis,
I have removed the 3 posts with the videoclips you refer to.
Just to be clear, it has nothing to do with censoring, nor get I paid to do so.
It's just a matter of wasted serverspace. Serverspace cost money. Even in the UK.

This site is not a (a)social media as fakebook, twitter etc. This site is intended to inform and find information about AMT and Auto Mag.

I don't mind critics, sarcasm or wandering off topic some times, but just posting a videoclip with some music has nothing to do with the new automag topic.
(As you wrote in your above post :my posts on here was removed along with another members which were nothing more than youtube musical videos in reference to 'waiting')

This part 2 is to find out about updates, progress, new manufacturing methods etc. All I want is to find relevant info about the New Automag without going trough endless pages as the 123 in part 1. I guess most of the members here will agree with that.


You're all welcome to post information about the topic good or bad, but please stick somewhat to the point.


I hope you're not offended by my action, if so I appologize.
Just remember it is not personal, it just a matter of keeping this site somehow to the point.

Luc V.



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 1:47pm


Thanks Luc!


Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by Travis Morgan Travis Morgan wrote:

Originally posted by Pasadena-Joe Pasadena-Joe wrote:


Yup spoken like a true Canadian.

-Joe 

Why thank you Joe, for all your thoughtful insight, observations and kind wishes regarding my previous comments.

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I might be a stupid old crackerboy but I understand sarcasm and understood your first post.

I will also admit to being old and often beaten down by todays nonsense and even sometimes in a pissy mood. (maybe even mostly in a pissy mood)

And yup, I got a very low tolerance for jokes about the 1st or 2nd Amendments or any of the Constitution or Amendments.  Our politicians don't respect or follow our Constitution and Amendments, and truth be told, most US citizens dont respect them either.  But I do, and personally dont care for jokes about them.

As the kids seem fond of saying "Sorry, Not Sorry" 

So I get it that the US Constitution and Amendments are a joke to the rest of the world and to our northern neighbors (Canada) and we (the USA) have become laughing-stalks for our own nonsense, but I dont have to like it, especially from people who dont even have such protections (even if we dont abide by them) 

Again, sorry, not sorry. 

But dont take it personal, this is just a web site and you shouldnt lose any sleep about anything written here, I sure dont. 

Oh, and thanks for the dictionary lesson ;-) 

Now that we got that behind us, it would sure be interesting to read something actually about AutoMags, maybe even something interesting,,,  -Joe


Posted By: Travis Morgan
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 3:13am
Originally posted by Luc V. Luc V. wrote:

Travis,
I have removed the 3 posts with the videoclips you refer to.
Just to be clear, it has nothing to do with censoring, nor get I paid to do so.
It's just a matter of wasted serverspace. Serverspace cost money. Even in the UK.

This site is not a (a)social media as fakebook, twitter etc. This site is intended to inform and find information about AMT and Auto Mag.

I don't mind critics, sarcasm or wandering off topic some times, but just posting a videoclip with some music has nothing to do with the new automag topic.
(As you wrote in your above post :my posts on here was removed along with another members which were nothing more than youtube musical videos in reference to 'waiting')

This part 2 is to find out about updates, progress, new manufacturing methods etc. All I want is to find relevant info about the New Automag without going trough endless pages as the 123 in part 1. I guess most of the members here will agree with that.


You're all welcome to post information about the topic good or bad, but please stick somewhat to the point.


I hope you're not offended by my action, if so I appologize.
Just remember it is not personal, it just a matter of keeping this site somehow to the point.

Luc V.


Wow! - just simply, Wow


Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 3:21am
I'm eagerly awaiting Patrick's October update on the NAM's progress. Hopefully the effects of the storms have been productively mitigated and it's on with the show...

Jerry


Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 7:27am
I thought I would update folks with what I just got back from them.

As we move forward, the final two constraints we have been overcoming are finalizing the magazines as well as the frames. 
We have the (what we believe to be) final run of frames and magazines in house now. 
If those two constraints are completely overcome - we believe your gun should be getting to you before January. 


Posted By: richie_b
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 9:09am
Originally posted by CrazyLarry CrazyLarry wrote:

I thought I would update folks with what I just got back from them.

<snip> - we believe your gun should be getting to you before January. 


Larry - Are you an FE or CE customer???
  Unhappy


Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 3:02pm
I purchased in January, so I think that makes me a "CE". I was under the impression that all the "FE" were from a year before that.

Mine was one of the first 150 orders after the email went out earlier this year.


Posted By: AndyC
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 10:00pm
Before January - oooh, that would be an awesome Christmas present Thumbs Up

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Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 1:01am
Gerry was kind enough to let be borrow his 44AMT RCBS trim dies and I got a few "classic" shells ready for fire forming.

[Yes, I do have several hundred Starline cases, but, I wanted to go "old school" for a couple boxes]

I will spend some quality range time getting things setup once it arrives.




Posted By: richie_b
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 3:15am
Originally posted by CrazyLarry CrazyLarry wrote:

I purchased in January, so I think that makes me a "CE". I was under the impression that all the "FE" were from a year before that.


It is my understanding that the 'Founders Edition' [FE] is the 8 1/2" barrel while the 'Classic Edition' [CE] is the 5 1/2" barrel. The FE also costs more.  Disapprove



Posted By: Pantera Mike
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 6:08am
You can order the Classic Edition with either 6.5 or 8.5-inch barrels, and either plastic or wood grips. 

The only difference between a FE and a CE with 8.5 inch barrel is the serial number, I believe. 

I also believe that those who stepped up and placed their FE orders early paid less than if you ordered a similar CE today.  True?


Posted By: AndyC
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 5:14pm
$3,495 for the 6.5" Classic Edition originally (now $3,795) - $3,995 for the 8.5" Founders' Edition. Looks like the Classic is now available in 6.5" and 8.5" - cool.

I have a Founders' Edition ordered and paid-for, but I paid full price - I don't know if anyone paid less than that; if they managed to get a better price, good for them.

Those of us who paid up-front were recently given a $300 credit towards items from the AM store - mine'll likely be going towards a spare 6.5" upper.


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Posted By: Capn27
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 11:49pm
Don't forget the high polish finish on the FE. That's the main reason I changed my order from the CE to the FE when one became available.


Posted By: AndyC
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 2:36pm
New email from Patrick this morning:

For those that have ordered a pistol, we hear you:

When will my Auto Mag be shipped?

There are two remaining hurdles to complete before we can enter a true production mode. One is the new magazine and the other is finished frames. If I could guess I would think we will be in full production in the next 30 to 45 days.

Some good news: We will ship about ten (10) more pistols that should be finished in the next week or so.

On the first hurdle, we received our first batch of new magazine bodies in this week and already have found problems with the welds and the feed lips. We sent back samples of what needed improvement and should know next week how long it will take to get these new issues straightened out. 

The second hurdle was once thought to be solved as we had 590 original frame castings and even though we knew that many had problems with warping and porosity, we thought we would get at least 50 or 100 good frames but we are having an extremely high failure rate. We will get a small number of frames that will allow us to ship a few more until we get new frame castings. The good news here is that we have started the process of making the new frames and the first pour will be done this Friday. It will take a week to get frames to our machine shop to do the finished milling. If everything is right on the first batch of 20, they will immediately make and increase the next batch to 300 units.

But we have rarely had any part work the first time. I am always optimistic but time after time when I believe that things will work on the first try I end up with egg on my face. We will get there and every week we get closer. Every problem teaches us something new that usually makes the final product better than it would have otherwise been.

Currently we only have 91 left on order. We have 45 complete uppers (41 of the 8-1/2" and 4 of the 6-1/2"). We now have the capacity to produce between 200 to 300 pistols per month and in addition to the complete uppers we also have over 200 of every part needed, except the magazines, frames and finished barrels (we have 217 finished rifled barrel blanks that are just being started on and will be complete in the next month).

I have attached some photos of our progress. The green frames are the wax masters and the tan are the casting shells.


Frame mold for wax masters


Wax masters


Frame wax masters on a tree


After first slurry dip (it takes 8 dips)


After the third dip (it takes 8 dips to form the shell)

Quick Reminder:
We have recently launched a YouTube Channel and would love for you all to have more in-depth access to videos and updates on everything we are doing. Feel free to subscribe to get the latest content. Link:  https://automag.us16.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e72c5986df90716e3e7cc8f0c&id=ac36c5e4ee&e=0e44ad7236" rel="nofollow - The Auto Mag Channel

Respectfully,

Patrick Henry III



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Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 6:16pm
Excellent

I prefer to see updates like this.

Nervous about the mags, but, I want to see my pistol in time for some fire forming and range work before Santa comes.


Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 2:16am
I received the same email.

I'm curious about the ceramic shell investment casting  molding process they are using. It's a great process for close tolerances and surface finish. I wonder since the parts ( frames) being relatively thin if they are using some sort of vacuum or pressure assistance. I regularly do sand casting as part of my other hobbies and very superficially have touched vacuum assisted lost wax casting. Lots of work in preparation and ticklish to execute. Seeing what they are doing and how they are doing it gives me added appreciation for their trials...

Jerry


Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2018 at 4:23am
Jerry,

I have not heard of that thick of a casting shell that didn't involve some sort of "assistance".

I know Ruger does this, to a certain extent with some of their parts. Its not 100% the same, though.

When I worked in the auto industry, some of the suppliers for Nissan used/use a reverse "pour" and the cavity is held upside down and that way they avoid any form of air pockets. The "vacuum" is actually pressure forcing out the air from a difference in elevation. (no Hoover vac required)

But, one method for one type of material and part size/shape is not going to translate well to another.

I would be curious to know what method is actually used, though... my nerd gene is showing.


Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 8:41pm
Since we're halfway to December and I recall hearing that the FE pistols would maybe possibly be sorta delivered before January... did anyone get theirs yet?

Jerry( the Patient )




Posted By: AndyC
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 10:39pm
Newp - waiting in hope :)

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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 12:49am
I sent an email to Patrick today seeing if he has firmed up the timeline but I have not heard back.


Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2018 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I sent an email to Patrick today seeing if he has firmed up the timeline but I have not heard back.

I don't believe they have the frames finished just yet.

When last I heard, they were still doing Q-A on what they were getting in. But, I've not heard anything more as of yet.

I don't belive they have enough frames to move into machining quantity yet. I don't really expect them to do less than 10 at a time for a given run.

They were/are on track to ship before Jan. But I suspect an update in a week or two.


Posted By: JTaylorIV
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 8:27pm
I see Patrick sent out the latest news letter    Smile

"
Each day brings us closer...

We are building the first few samples in to complete Auto Mag pistols.
"


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Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 8:58pm
It looks as if they got the issues with the castings sorted out. 
Once they complete machining on their samples, they can decided how/when to do the next batch of 300.

From what i can tell, they have 25-30 frames they are doing detailed QC on, so, its very possible they could have the required number of frames finished in 30 days. (knock on wood)

[I thought there were only like 250 original orders placed during their "flash" sale date, but, they have requests for several times that since then. I don't have visibility into the exact number, just what I know from speaking to Patrick.

Still hoping for something from them into my FFL by Christmas.

Magazines are another issue... time will tell. I plan to get 3 extra magazines so I don't end up like those Bren Ten owners with guns but no mags to load ammo with.


Posted By: TRX302
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by CrazyLarry CrazyLarry wrote:

I know Ruger does this, to a certain extent with some of their parts.


Ruger are probably *the* experts in investment casting. After designing the Model 77 rifle to use investment castings, they quickly wound up setting up their own foundry to get a supply of decent parts. And now they're so big they (at least used to) do castings for other gun manufacturers as well as other industries.

A lot of investment casters make big claims about their capabilities, but AMT found they weren't able to deliver on their claims. Bob B talked about frames that sagged in the front, were warped across the magwells, and acne-spotted with porosity.

In the 45 years since, I don't think the state of the art has advanced much.


Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 11:23pm
Originally posted by TRX302 TRX302 wrote:

[QUOTE=CrazyLarry]

In the 45 years since, I don't think the state of the art has advanced much.


Something is always changing. Look at the potential changes to traditional sand molding foundry work. I have no doubt investment casting has its share of changes also...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LFGnjkoeDng" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LFGnjkoeDng

Jerry


Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 4:05am
Originally posted by TRX302 TRX302 wrote:

 

In the 45 years since, I don't think the state of the art has advanced much.

I respectfully disagree. [NOTE: what we see in the video is not indicative of all casting technologies]

I worked in the auto industry enough to know that things change with several parts suppliers in 25 years, let alone 45.

There are lots of changes that have been made regarding temp control, rate of pour, types of mold material, ...etc. as part of the casting process. Even sprue design has benefited from years of research specific to how aluminum flows at different temps and the best way to get gas to escape w/o resorting to complex pressure vessels.

Just look at how Edelbrock has changed how they make cylinder heads.


The basics are still there, but, the process and control are vastly improved.

Now, I would argue that not all parts or designs require the same level of attention to detail.

The QC for a V8 cylinder head requires much more care than casting a bottle open.

Please do not interpret my follow up post as any form of personal attack. I only intend to point out a a position which contradicts my personal experience.


Posted By: TankMan
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 6:45am
I appreciate that they're trying to make these the best they are able, truly. However I'm going to
grit my teeth and try to return to my original POV regarding delivery of these things. I'll believe it when I see it in hand.

Jerry


Posted By: RPM Enterprises
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2018 at 11:30am
so is Automag going to be at Shot show? If so what is booth number.


Posted By: JTaylorIV
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 7:47pm

I have been out of the loop for several months.  I was an early pre-purchase for a Classic almost a year ago.  I assumed there was a working model and the FE’s were about to be released with the Classic to follow production.  Found out that was not the case.  After a few months I backed out of my purchase but still interested in the Classic once there is a production model. 

Since I have not been paying attention, I have read through the comments and under the assumption that there is not a fully tested production model from current available information.  The team is still working on getting a the FE’s delivered after they have a working production firearm.  I see they now are just starting with a new mold for the lower and need to do some testing.  I thought they had this all behind them and had to tweak the bolts (Nickel Boron) and magazines.  Not the case.  Is this the current state?



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Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 6:02pm
JTaylorIV-

I first want to say, you were not wrong to cancel your order and wait to see what happens. Every consumer should act in their best interest when it comes to their money. Be it firearms, computers, ...etc. name your field of view.

Much of what you have stated is certainly true. There are lots of delays and a whole host of setbacks due to many actors/events.

There appears to have been no less than 5 different bolt versions that were shared with the public. It is my understanding that all of that has been completed.

The barrel designs have been ready for a while, though. (maybe that was the easy part)

The frame issues were related to the manufacturing/casting process and supplier issues. That now "appears" to be resolved.

Magazine... those are the devil. So much can go wrong there and sloppy work in one area requires changes in another. Not defending or casting blame on one company or another. From what I found out, the problem has been to come up with a spring/follower/body that works with both legacy guns as well as the new models.

When last I checked with Patrick, some units have actually shipped of the FE, but certainly not all.

I give it till the end of Jan'19 and then I seriously consider seeking a refund.

ps,

Speaking for myself, I do NOT want to relive the disaster of owning a Bren Ten or a Wildey ever again. 

I tried for YEARS to source a mag or get one converted that would actually feed in my gun. The one I had developed a crack and was repaired by a welder who knew what he was doing... but, it never worked 100% and I refused to spend $300 for one that had not been abused. So I plan to acquire 5 mags when they are "finished".

And my experience with Wildey was anything but pleasant ... waiting on replacement parts for the gas system was longer than I have had with the current lead time Automag company. After Wildey went bust, I had to struggle with finding an FFL who could retrieve it from them and ship it back to me.

The best moment I had with my Wildey was the day I sold it for more than I paid for it.



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