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Topic: New Wildey Company - Preorders
Posted By: BEEMER1
Subject: New Wildey Company - Preorders
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2016 at 9:46pm
The New Wildey Company has all the parts on hand now and are machining frames and slides.  On their Facebook page they are accepting pre-orders to get an idea of what to produce.

Below are to entries I copied and pasted to fill you in.  I put in for one complete gun in 357 Peterbilt and an extra Peterbilt barrel.  I think these excepts are self explanatory.  Guns will be in the neighborhood of $2400 and barrels $700-$900.


Here's a reminder to everyone wanting to be first in line for a new Wildey Survivor:
1. Make sure you are on the Wildey VIP list by emailing sales@wildeyguns.com and telling us the specs for the gun you want if you have decided. You can always change this but it gives us a better idea of what to order for production.
Choose 475 Wildey Magnum, .45 Winchester Magnum, .357 Peterbilt, .44 Automag
Barrel-8", 10", 12" 14"
Finish-brushed stainless, high buff, engraved.

2. Even if you think you are on the Wildey VIP list send us the above information AND the name and location of the FFL through which you will be taking delivery.
3. If you are a dealer, please send us your FFL and we will contact you shortly.

 

 

We've gotten a strong response to my previous post asking you to send in an email to indicate two things:
1. What Wildey configuration do you want
2. What FFL will you use to take delivery
Of course, you should include your full contact information.

I'd like to clarify what the Wildey VIP list is all about, by saying that everyone on the list will get first shot (pun intended) on taking delivery of a customized Wildey.

We have very deliberately not made a formal public announcement...no press releases or intentional media coverage, although there is demand for that from the gun magazines and gun writers.

We have been promised a cover page splash on a prominent gun magazine and that will be timed with our official announcement. We expect to receive strong demand after that story runs, however, by being on the Wildey VIP list, you are ahead of the crowd. You are first in line...

One more thing...The highest demand so far is for the 10" Wildey Survivor chambered for .475 Wildey Magnum cartridges. Around here, we call that the "Bronson" gun. Feel free, as many already have, to specify that you want a Bronson. We know exactly what that means.

Write to us at:

Sales@WildeyGuns.com




Replies:
Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2016 at 12:35am
Hmmm.....I had one.  S/N 1109.  It was a complete piece of sh*t.

I'll have to pass on this pre-order.

Tony




Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2016 at 2:59am
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

Hmmm.....I had one.  S/N 1109.  It was a complete piece of sh*t.

I'll have to pass on this pre-order.

Tony




Well Tony, why don't you tell us how you really feel Tongue

I'll never worry about speaking my mind again,,,  

As for the Wildey, while there is something interesting about the look of the longer barreled guns, I too have not been impressed by the quality of their product. 

And truth be told I found them to be quite cumbersome and unwieldy. (seriously no pun intended)

Maybe they are better suited to bigger people.

It would be interesting to know how many units they sell. 

GH


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Who was that masked man,,,


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2016 at 12:31pm
GH, Tony

Speaking your mind is a good thing, that's what Forums are for.

As for Wildey's, I got into the game late.  I bought one new in 2006 chambered for 44 AMP with an 8" barrel to hunt whitetails with.  Wildey was still in business at that time.  Once I got familiar with it, the gun functioned fine and is quite accurate. The grips are large and the gun seems a little "out of balance" for some reason.  I was not very impressed.

A couple of years ago I bought a 475 with a 12" barrel and this is a fine shooter.  The 12" barrel seems to balance it out believe it or not.  It too is a later made pistol.  I have since picked up several more Wildey's and at least for the later ones, the quality is very good.  The fit and finish is excellent.  Accuracy is outstanding.

The grips are huge.  The gun was designed to hold a double stack magazine of 9mm Win mag which did not happen.  I with the grips could be slimmed down to single stack 475 size.

The 357 Peterbilt is the 475 necked to 357 and should be a fun cartridge out of a long barrel.  With 
Wildey's gas system, it should be quite versatile.   There were barrel blanks left over from the old company.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2016 at 1:02pm
I don't doubt that the new guns are better, and the 12" Bbl is the one I like the looks of.

I wonder if they have ever considered a revised and slimmed down frame, and maybe even slide as it too is a bit chunky.  I'll be there is a lot of weight that could be saved with a bit or re-engineering.

I like the sound of the 357, wonder what the max velocities look like.

Unfortunately as the gun is today, I'm not an interested buyer, but I am interested to see how well they do.

GH


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Who was that masked man,,,


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2016 at 1:19pm
Conservative numbers on the 357 are 158 grain at 2060 fps and 125 grain at 2300 fps out of a 12" barrel.  I am assuming the barrel length as that is what Wildey generally used for velocity numbers.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2016 at 11:14pm
FWIW, mine was an 8" 45 Win Mag that I bought new in 1989.

It looked really nice on the outside, but that's the only good thing I can say about it.

Tony



Posted By: jcola9247
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2016 at 8:56pm

GH, Tony,

I have had a Wildey for many years. The Wildey is not for your average Joe. The gun is in no way a pice of SH*t! You really have to educate yourself on the operation of the gun. I first I had a lot of problems with my gun. I found the old factory rounds were not precise so I started loading my own (can’t speak for the new factory rounds never shot them). It takes time to dial in the right setting but once you find that sweet spot the gun shoots and preforms flawlessly. I will say the last round in the Mag sometimes hangs up. I never had any problem with the .45 win mag rounds not being precise, just dialed it in and shot. The thing is if you switch rounds to a different grain or manufacture you might have to dial back in. I have a 10" .475 upper, a 10” .45 win mag upper and a 5" .45 win mag upper. The load that works best for me is the Hawk .475 Wildey Mag. Full Metal Jacketed Bullet, 230 Gr. Auto Nose with 22 grains of Blue Dot powder. Can’t wait for full production, I would think with the new technology in CNC’s etcetera they should be better than ever! Thinking I would like to get the .44 auto mag upper  in 7” or 8”.Smile
Joe




Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2016 at 10:54pm
Really?  Well lets see here...the double action loads up terribly with a pull rate so high, it was all I could do to fire it DA.  And in DA, it had light primer strikes all the time.  The single action pull was also spongy as hell and when it did let off, the over travel was ridiculously long.  The back of the grip as so square the edges dug into the web of my hand until it started to bleed......after only about 50 rounds.  The rib was mounted at an angle to the bore (sideways) so when I put a scope mount on it, the screw holes didn't go down the center of the rib or the scope would be pointing way off to the side.  The machine work on the inside looked like it was done with a chainsaw.  When some shooters fired the gun, the magazine fell out on the ground with every shot.  Every time you change to different ammo you have to dial in the gas setting again.  So you end up jamming cases up in the gun while you test it.  Change the load again and jam up some more cases.  If that's not a POS in your book, I don't know what is.

Tony






Posted By: 76nova
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 12:22am
I agree with ya Tony


Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 8:03am
All things Tony wrote above are true.
Mine is like that also and had some more...
Very few dare to tell how it really is.
 
I just hope the new ones will be alot better.
 


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 1:40pm
I guess I started this thread so I should weigh in I feel.

I have only shot the newer Wildey's, 2004 or so or newer, but I have 4  that I have shot.  I have shot 475's, 45 Wildey, 45 Win mag, and 44 AMP.  I found the gas was fairly easy to set once I became familiar with the process.  Just start low, single load until the bolt stays open, and then fine adjust from there.  The grips are huge and somewhat hard for me to shoot, but I have not experienced the sharp edges.  I don't shoot pistols like this double action and I really don't think the ones I have shot are DA that I remember.  I have found the Wildey triggers quite adequate on my pistols.  I have found the accuracy to be very good and recoil quite acceptable.  The 12" 475 shoots easier the the 8" models in my opinion.  It just seems to balance better.

I have never cracked the "barrel extension/bolt guide".  I bought a barrel on Ebay very cheap that was cracked with the idea of welding it.  After looking at how the pistol functions, I decided to shoot it first which I did and decided to leave it that way.  If you adjust the gas properly, I do not have a problem with the crack.

The Wildey, like the Auto Mags, is a very different pistol and takes some getting familiar with it to appreciate it.


Posted By: WildeyGuns
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 5:39pm
Thanks for your comments on the Wildey Survivor. Over the history of the Wildey Survivor, there were three design issues that I am aware of, and these have been addressed over the years.
1. Early hammers. The hammer was redesigned with a more robust cross sectional area. We have not seen an instance of any of the new hammers cracking or breaking.
2. Barrel extension cage cracking. There were  a relatively small number of cracked barrel extensions reported by Wildey owners, as you mentioned. We have studied this exhaustively and without exception, these cracks developed in barrel extensions made at a machine shop we no longer use, whose adherence to the specs designated on our drawings was not up to our standards. We have tight QC on these and the new ones look terrific.
3. Piston guide rod. Early Survivors used a threaded piston guide rod. There were a few instances where the guide rod unthreaded and fell out, which obviously caused problems. This was corrected years ago by a re-design that uses a floating pin that is captive and cannot fall out.

All of the issues above are easily corrected should you have one of these guns and all our new parts are backward compatible to the earliest guns.  

In addition to the improvements noted above, we have elected to switch from using a cast slide to using a slide machined from solid SS bar stock, despite the greater expense. It's just plain better.

Our new barrels are still supplied by Green Mountain, but they are now honed using a proprietary technique Rick Sanborn developed for match grade barrels. We think the results will please you.

Further, we have made a subtle but important change to the way the barrels are machined to seat into the barrel extension. Again, we really didn't have significant issues, but the new technique creates a superior product.

If any Wildey owners are having issues, please contact us at 860-266-4971. We want to get you shooting again!

Parts, ammo and gunsmithing are available by calling Jessica in our service department at 860-266-4972
George


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 5:59pm
George

When will pricing be available and when will you start shipping barrels and complete guns?


Posted By: WildeyGuns
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 6:12pm
Here's where we stand.
Production of frames was delayed for months while we awaited a ruling from the ATF regarding our proposed serialization procedure. We just got that ruling last week. So, finally we can start machining frames. All other parts are complete and we are building the several sub-assemblies as we await machined frames.
But, to answer your questions more directly:
Price indication for a 10" Survivor chambered in .475 Wildey Magnum, brushed SS finish (the so-called "Bronson gun") is right at $2900 MSRP.
We expect to start shipping Barrel subassemblies by December 1. Don't have a price yet...but stay tuned.
We will offer .475 Wildey Magnums, .45 Winchester Magnums and then a limited run of .44 Automags and even the .357 Peterbilt (2300 fps MV).
We hope to start taking orders for guns by December 1. Everybody on the Wildey VIP list will get first shot (yes, intended...) at owning one of the new guns. Send an email to george@wildeyguns.com if you want to be on the list. Please visit our Facebook page to stay in the loop. https://www.facebook.com/WildeyGuns/




Posted By: Luc V.
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 8:10pm
Originally posted by WildeyGuns WildeyGuns wrote:

3. Piston guide rod. Early Survivors used a threaded piston guide rod. There were a few instances where the guide rod unthreaded and fell out, which obviously caused problems. This was corrected years ago by a re-design that uses a floating pin that is captive and cannot fall out.
George
 
Almost true, the piston guide rod did not unthreaded and fell out, the threads got stripped because of the recoil. That's what I told Wildey in the year 2000, and told them how I changed my pistol with the pistonguide rod they now use. Never heard a thing back from them...
 
At first I tried a crosspin to keep the pistonguide screw and spring in place, but even that didn't worked. Then I came up with the simple rod instead of the screw, and drilled the gaspiston all the way trough so it  could just slide over the rod. The recoilsprings just push the gaspiston foreward when the slide close, no need for the extra spring around the guiderod.
That's how it works.
 
The first time I saw 'their' new guiderod was at the shotshow in 2002. There was a guy at the booth (if I remember correctly a Jason) talking about their new designed guiderod... I almost got sick and walked away...

Here some pics of the guiderod I made for my pistol.


Yep, that's a Belgian proofmark.
 
I still have  a simple solution for another common problem on wildeys, just wonder if the new pistols will be "updated".
 
Luc.
The guy from Belgium... 
 
 


Posted By: Stainless Magnum
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2016 at 6:56pm
I will weigh in here having had some Wildey experience that is a bit more varied. I have fired more than ten different Wildey pistols, but probably less than twenty. Sorry that's as best as my memory can account for. I have owned several of them, and one particular gun that saw more than 1000 varied rounds through it. They have ranged from 6" to 12" barrel lengths; they have been 45 Win Mag and 475 Wildey Mag. Here are some observations I have made in my working with these guns in the last 20 years:

To WildeyGuns points:
  • The original hammers were far more aesthetic to my eye. When in the operation of folks who tended to over-gas the guns, the hammers would mar and warp. They would leave impressions on the frame as well. This would vary with the level of over-gassing. I heard about broken hammers, but never saw one. The new hammers do not mar or warp. They are more robust in the circumstance where over-gassing occurs. More on this later.
  • I saw one cracked extension, and I owned one that cracked. Wildey welded it. It cracked again. They replaced it. No more problems. More on this later.
  • Never saw or had a piston rod  issue. None the less, the redesign seems to be good. I have noted no operational differences between the two variants. If Luc is the genesis for this improvement, my sincere condolences friend. Such is the engineering/product design world. I have suffered that slight in silence many times.
  • I often fired these guns at 200 yards plus with admirable performance. If they are improving the barrels further, I am brimming with anticipation at the results.

To Tony's points:

  • The double action is atrocious. His description is accurate, other than I never had light primer strikes. I however, never really cared. I saw the double action element as an emergency feature. My use of the guns mostly employed the single action mechanism, and I am quite fond of it. I have large hands and so my leverage on the gun may affect my positive perspective.
  • I never suffered pain or injury on any version of the gun from the grip design. Caveat again, my hands are large. The newer ones were very rounded and I believe greatly improved that issue for those who may have been affected. Tony is definitely not alone, as I believe Dean Grenell and another popular gun writer commented equally.
  • A certain era in manufacturing did have poor machining/casting quality inside.That particular era also is coincidental with cracked extensions. The replacement extension I received was of the appropriate quality. Tony is well within the rules of hyperbole to describe it as chainsaw milling. My emotions tended in that direction when I first handled one of those particular examples.
  • It usually takes me about five rounds to get the gun cycling on a new load. Of those five empties, usual one or two will get chewed. I can usually get them back in shape and reuse them, but often have a shortened life, and some are a total loss. I see the fallout from that as minor, but it is there. It has not bothered me. If you like the gun, and wish to employ it, this goes with the territory. Caveat, I like the gun.

My own points:

  • These guns have always cycled well for me. They are not for the impatient shooter. They are not for the beginner. Side note: Tony is neither. He received a lemon and his other critiques are well founded, albeit subject to perspective in some instances.
  • A big problem with this gun that I have seen bring it to its demise was the circulation of some potentially ill advised instructions from long ago. They persist to this day. This is my opinion, but it is founded on my own anecdotal experience. There was some cycling tips suggested that were aimed at the impatient shooter. They recommend opening the gas system to about 8 clicks to get you started quickly, and then adjusting up or down from there. Anytime I tried to prove out this advice, a very poor result would be had. All those I would encounter with damaged guns, or cycling issues, were operating under this advice or some version of it. I have enjoyed some twenty plus years with these guns by sticking to the manual's instructions. Start from the closed position and feed one round at a time, one click at a time. With loading and shooting experience, you will have better judgment of how many clicks you can open it to start. Never over-gas with the intention of working your way down. It is a beautiful gun, but it's design/construction does not favor over-gassing in the least. Hate that aspect or be fine with it. Certainly a personal choice. There is no accounting for taste.

Good luck all. I may post further insights as necessary.

Best Regards,

David



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"Feo, Fuerte, y Formal"

John Wayne, on how he would like to be thought of.

Translation: Ugly, strong, and dignified.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2016 at 8:42pm
I have very limited experience with the Wildey so I will reserve further comment about my experiences for the moment.

Regarding the comments from the Wildey Company, I have to say I am impressed.  Not combative, not defensive, not arrogant.  Just matter of fact, as it should be.

Not sure I am an interested buyer, but its nice to see quality business etiquette. 

And please do not confuse these comments as an attack against anyone else.   They are NOT.  I am simply saying I am impressed with their communication.

This is what I expect what I but products that cost as much as a Wildey does, and believe it or not, I actually do enjoy giving credit where credit is due. 

I had some very limited experience with the Wildey folks many years ago when I had the two 475 Auto Mag Bbls built.  Wildey sold be the Bbl stock, and a quantity of brass, and while they probably thoughts I was completely insane trying to convert an Auto Mag to shoot a 475 round, they were helpful and professional. 

Hope they do well with the new next production run.

GH



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Who was that masked man,,,


Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2016 at 3:47am
I'd like to weigh in, not as a Wildey fan but as a fan of the Magnum Autoloader which has long been a neglected field in shooting, by and large.

I want to see Wildey and Auto Mag BOTH succeed AND I want to see the new Brno Field Pistol succeed, too.  I'd also love to see a newer version of the LAR come back but in auto loading calibers with correspondingly slimmer frames.

The world is sooooo full of tacticool and while I love that, too, I think there needs to be something NEW and FRESH in the world of handguns.  These guns, while expensive, can create a breath of fresh air in the handgun world.

Calibers like the 10mm and the .460 Rowland prove there is a market for powerful automatics and guns like the Auto Mag, the Wildey and others can fill a long neglected niche in handgunnery.

I hope Wildey continues to make guns and I hope they continue with their product improvement and I can't wait to see the Auto Mag hit the market again after all of these years.  I think these guns will lead the way into a rebirth of long range, powerful pistols.....and it's about time.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2016 at 4:08pm
Well, I cannot say I have shot them enough to have the problems some describe, and though I am not a likely customer I still wish them good luck.

GH

p.s. LOVED the chainsaw comment, great laugh regardless of what you were talking about.  And again, I have not observed the same, just couldn't help but laugh at that one.  gh


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Who was that masked man,,,


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 4:54pm
The new Wildey Company is now taking orders for pistols online and requesting deposits.

I could not get the Hyperlink function to work, but here is a link you can copy and paste.


https://www.facebook.com/notes/usa-firearms-wildey-handguns/the-usafc-wildey-survivor/955235187941082


Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 10:06pm
This should help!!
http://www.facebook.com/notes/usa-firearms-wildey-handguns/the-usafc-wildey-survivor/955235187941082" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/notes/usa-firearms-wildey-handguns/the-usafc-wildey-survivor/955235187941082



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If you can't have fun doing it, then don't do it.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 1:49am
With the New Wildey and the New Automag, how many $2-3K pistols can one market bear?
Gerry
MI


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 1:59am
The new Wildey's are $2750 but that is delivered and they take credit cards. 

The kicker is 50% down, delivery in 8 to 12 weeks.  That's going to be a tough sell in my book.

The new Auto Mags, $1600 uppers.  That includes the bolt and fitted to your frame.  44 only.

The New Auto Mag Classic, $3500 plus or minus.  I don't envision people lining up for them but I might be wrong.

Bill Wilson sells a lot of $4000 1911's and they have to be a lot cheaper to build.

I guess we will all find out,


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2017 at 8:57pm

It looks like Wildey is getting closer.  Take the arrows both ways for different shots.

http://www.facebook.com/USAFirearmsCorp/photos/a.539695982828340.1073741828.513253715472567/974773822653885/?type=3&theater" rel="nofollow - http://www.facebook.com/USAFirearmsCorp/photos/a.539695982828340.1073741828.513253715472567/974773822653885/?type=3&theater


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 4:56pm
Well, The New Wildey Company started shipping guns on Thursday.  They are about 2 1/2 months past their 8 to 12 weeks delivery but they are going .

I ordered one and got an Email saying mine should be shipped shortly.  I am not holding my breath.


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 2:26pm
That is great news to hear, Congrats! I like hearing Wildey and Auto Mag are back up and running. What model Wildey did you order Beemer?


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2017 at 2:37pm
I ordered a Wildey Survivor, brushed stainless, 12" in 475 Wildey Magnum.

The only calibers they were offering were the 475 and 45 Win Mag with more to come possibly.

They are promising that when they get caught up they will start a run of 44 AMP barrels.  They still have 44 caliber barrel blanks left from the old company.

I really wanted a 357 Peterbuilt barrel, but interest is very limited.  They still have 357 barrel blanks also.


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 5:16am
Should turn out nice. My Wildeys are all in .475 Wildey Magnum and .45 Win Mag except for one which is in .44 AM.

Rudy


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 1:38pm
To be honest, I do not know why I even ordered it other than to help them along.  I have a lot of Wildey's already.

I got to be good friends with George Benedict who was the front man leading up to production.  As production began, he got pushed out and is a little bitter.

They talked about the 357 Peterbuilt and I really doubt that that will ever happen as slow moving as their management has been.

I wish them well but I am afraid it will be a struggle for them.


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 1:20am
I understand. Eventually I'd like to order one myself since Im a big fan. Its nice to at least see reasonably priced magazines again as well as know parts are available to fix what we have. For a while there was nothing but expensive, used, parts and even those didn't pop up for sale often. Hoping the same will be true for our AM's too.

Rudy


Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 3:53am
Not sure why they ever offered 44 AutoMag caliber - makes no sense to me.

I can see the 475 its got some oats and a big heavy bullet and the 357 sounds like it could be a good toad popper, but 45 Win Mag is outdated and was never impressive.

Always thought it was a good lookin gun, but its a handful of pistol.   Not a gun for guys with woman hands.

Hard to get too excited about either new Wildey or AutoMag when there are plenty on the used market.  Guess I wont be in a rush to send a deposit myself, good luck to you that do buy one. Sorry not big on paying for something I cant see or touch.  Prefer to buy in a shop where I can look it over first.  -Joe


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by Pasadena-Joe Pasadena-Joe wrote:

Not sure why they ever offered 44 AutoMag caliber - makes no sense to me.

I can see the 475 its got some oats and a big heavy bullet and the 357 sounds like it could be a good toad popper, but 45 Win Mag is outdated and was never impressive.

Always thought it was a good lookin gun, but its a handful of pistol.   Not a gun for guys with woman hands.

Hard to get too excited about either new Wildey or AutoMag when there are plenty on the used market.  Guess I wont be in a rush to send a deposit myself, good luck to you that do buy one. Sorry not big on paying for something I cant see or touch.  Prefer to buy in a shop where I can look it over first.  -Joe

That would certainly be ideal but I can't see many Stocking Dealers in my area for $2700 - 12" Wildeys or $3500 AMP's.

I say take a chance and hope the Manufacturer makes good on promises.


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 5:05am
I bought a Wildey brand new back around 1998. The closest dealer to me was over an hour away and it still had to be ordered anyway, wasn't in stock. My other Wildeys were all bought used and mostly off Gunbroker. Even if we were only buying used older guns its nice to have parts availability back. As an example, while Wildey was defunct magazine were going for $200-250 or so. Occasionaly you found one around $150 and that was a good deal. Now that Wildey is back you can buy a new magazine for $79. So yes, I want Wildey and Auto Mag around and wish them both great success :)
As far as why chamber it in .44 AMP? Why not? On a Wildey its a simple barrel swap and nothing more. The .45 Win Mag is no slouch and remember back when Wildey Moore was designing and starting to produce the gun we'talking 1970's/early 80's. Must not have been roo bad of a cartridge if others like LAR Grizzly chambered their guns in it. And again, on a Wildey, yet another barrel swap.
BTW, the Wildey I ordered new was a 10" Survivor in .475 Wildey Magnum. I could just stare at Wildeys and Auto Mags all day long, simply gorgeous guns!

Rudy


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 12:41pm
I know what you mean, I own quite a few very expensive Wildey magazines.

I bought my first Wildey in 2006 new.  It was an 8" in 44 AMP that I wanted to hunt whitetails with.  I really never warmed up to that pistol and never took it hunting.  The rest are all used like yourself.

The 45 Win Mag is no slouch like you say.  I do have a 10" 45 Wildey Mag Pin Gun that shoots good.  That is an interesting caliber.


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2017 at 6:22am
I think I remember seeing that pin gun for sale on gunbroker a few years ago when you bought it.

Rudy


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2017 at 12:25pm
Believe it or not, I bought the pin barrel off Ebay.


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2017 at 2:05pm
Thats right, it was E-Bay. I remember seeing your name as the winning bidder. Its been a few years ago so I couldn't remember if it was EBay or Gunbroker. I tend to watch the Wildey auctions even if I don't bid. After a while certain user names become familuar :)

Rudy


Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2017 at 1:42pm
Still not seein the advantage to the 44 AMP and 45 Win Mag offerings.

The 475 makes the gun unique and if they want to make it the need to focus on selling and need a hook and the 475 is the hook.

If later they are doing well than add other calibers but to get restarted they should stick to the basics and what makes them stand out.  Oh and seems like if they want to add more than one caliber the 357 Peterbuilt would be the better round.  Sounds like could be a real hog blaster.

Wish them well, but just dont think the young people are looking for guns like this or anything you have to load you own for.  They just want to go to work on Monday and say they shot 100 rounds or 200 rounds or whatever and take pictures of their paper targets to show off that they shot at 30 feet.

Current generation is different then the old timers and want different things. 

Hope they make it and I think its going to take the right marketing plan to survive and sellin 44 AMP and 45 Win Mag just aint going to make it any more popular to young folks.   -joe


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2017 at 2:48pm
You are correct about the 475 Wildey and that has been their main thrust.  They are loading and selling ammo for it.  The biggest seller so far is what they call their "Bronson Gun", 10" barrel chambered for the 475.

The 45 Win Mag is a very good caliber in my opinion and has the advantage of fairly reasonably priced ammunition.  This can help sales tremendously for those who shoot and hunt.

They have had a lot of interest in guns chambered for the 44 AMP.  I think it is from Auto Mag owners and those who remember the Auto Mag.  The main problem is that ammo has to be loaded shorter than standard to fit in the magazine.  The first Wildey I bought was in 44 AMP as I had everything to load it already and knew what the caliber was capable of.

The ability to switch barrels from one caliber to another is a big plus.  I should not cost much to make multiple calibers as the tooling is already there except for chamber reamers.  This can add greatly to the bottom line in my opinion.


Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 1:16am
Agree the ability to change barrels is a big plus, thats what attracted me to AutoMags.

45 Win Mag is ok when loaded hot, but I could not get it to work reliably in the AutoMag, not enough umph. 

Selling their own cut down version of 44 AMP just dont make any sense to me.  Not sure how you even call it 44 AMP, its something else.

Too bad about the 357 PB, seems like it could be more interesting than 45 WM or 44 not-AMP. 

Well its one big impressive thing to look at, probly no need to shoot one, just seeing it will likely scare the bad guy to death.  I remember when a snub-nose 38 was a bad guy gun and a 45/1911 was a real bad guy gun, and a 9mm was punks gun(dangerous punk) . funny how things change over time.  -joe


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 2:09am
Originally posted by Pasadena-Joe Pasadena-Joe wrote:

Agree the ability to change barrels is a big plus, thats what attracted me to AutoMags.

45 Win Mag is ok when loaded hot, but I could not get it to work reliably in the AutoMag, not enough umph. 

Selling their own cut down version of 44 AMP just dont make any sense to me.  Not sure how you even call it 44 AMP, its something else.

Too bad about the 357 PB, seems like it could be more interesting than 45 WM or 44 not-AMP. 

Well its one big impressive thing to look at, probly no need to shoot one, just seeing it will likely scare the bad guy to death.  I remember when a snub-nose 38 was a bad guy gun and a 45/1911 was a real bad guy gun, and a 9mm was punks gun(dangerous punk) . funny how things change over time.  -joe


They do not cut the case down.  It is a standard 44 AMP case with the bullet set deeper to match the OAL of the 45 Win Mag.


Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 2:30am
Sorry didn't mean it so specific as to talk about the case, just meant cut down/sawed off like just short.

could be wrong, but I would be worried about using 44 AMP ammo with bullets seated so deep in an AutoMag, but probly wouldnt use someone elses ammo in my gun anyway. 

But thanks for the correction, god help us all if someone quotes us and starts telling other folks the AutoMag site says the case is cut down.  you know how things get a life of their own.  -Joe


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 3:12am
You posted this first
"The main problem is that ammo (44AMP added)has to be loaded shorter than standard to fit in the magazine. "
Then you posted
"They do not cut the case down.  It is a standard 44 AMP case with the bullet set deeper to match the OAL of the 45 Win Mag."

I glad you cleared this statement up as the first thing in my head was the case was shorten and not the bullet loaded deeper. I forgot that was an option. Have you eveer did this? Have you figured "IF" that caused any dangerous pressure doing it? I don't have first hand knownledge but have heard seating bullets deeper might cause higher pressure or pressure spikes and just want to know what you think or know about it.
Please advise as I want to learn more about it. I'll don't handload yet but have been looking into it more lately.

Also as "Joe" put a thought into my head now with his comment, could you use these deep seated bullets cartages in an Auto Mag without issue? Would they be easy to spot from the normal size ones? I know people talk about seating bullets a little deeper so how much more deeper because that might be an issue if not a whole lot but just enough to cause an issue. I can see it now, thinking it's the gun and spending hours ripping through it to find a simple issue of using the deeper seat bullets causing the problem, lol.




Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 12:50pm
There have been posters on this board that have said that the 44 AMP used for the Wildey is a shorter case and it is just not true.

I would not recommend taking full length 44 AMP ammo and setting the bullet deeper.  I have always loaded ammo for the gun it is intended for.  I have shot the shorter "Wildey 44 AMP" ammo in an Auto Mag with no problems.

Wildey has always recommended using Blue Dot powder instead of the more normal 296/H110 powder as it burns cleaner and works better in the gas operating system.  Performance is cut some but it is still a formidable load.

The 45 Win Mag has an operating pressure of 41,500 psi and is the same basic case as the 44 AMP, just 1/10" shorter.  With the same bullet weights it should out perform the 44 AMP.  It should have plenty of "umph" to operate the Auto Mag.  I have a barrel but have not shot it.


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 3:30pm
Beemer,
Thanks for the info., but still have a few more questions.
"I would not recommend taking full length 44 AMP ammo and setting the bullet deeper."
But you said that is all the difference was before? or do you mean you wouldn't use the same powder/components in the "AM" load as the "Wildey"?

"Wildey has always recommended using Blue Dot powder instead of the more normal 296/H110 powder as it burns cleaner and works better in the gas operating system.  Performance is cut some but it is still a formidable load."
Performance numbers on both would be nice, I understand some people hot-rod but off hand do you know "normal" numbers to compare? Using this powder, does that avoid it being "compressed" and thus no pressure spikes/issues?

"I have shot the shorter "Wildey 44 AMP" ammo in an Auto Mag with no problems."
So if you handload and have both firearms, you could just make up one load for both to avoid having to make up two different sets, unless the performance is a BIG factor and understanding the firearms both function of course.

"The 45 Win Mag has an operating pressure of 41,500 psi and is the same basic case as the 44 AMP, just 1/10" shorter.  With the same bullet weights it should out perform the 44 AMP.  It should have plenty of "umph" to operate the Auto Mag."
So if you have a 45 WinMag in both you could have better performance of both firearms using the same load than using the "44AMP"? Is this why I have seen people asking to 45WinMag barrels made up for the AM? You say it should out perform the AMP, is this because it's .45 and not .44 so the numbers figure this better?
I seen so many different calibers being made for the AM when Brian was doing them and a few people showing their special ones made as well. Sometimes I wonder if people just made a change to an exsisting cal. just to have them name a "new" wildcat without being enough difference to really give a hoot unless you like to play the game of one up.

Do you know which came first, the 44AMP or the 45WinMag?
I do own a Wildey in 45WinMag, NIB and heard so many brag about other calibers being better than it that I felt bad about this caliber, lol. That's why so many questions, now I don't feel so bad with it, lol. I do enjoy both shooting and collecting so it really didn't matter at the time and only when/if I ever sell it that it might become the factor.
Thanks again for the info.



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by XP001 XP001 wrote:

Beemer,
Thanks for the info., but still have a few more questions.
"I would not recommend taking full length 44 AMP ammo and setting the bullet deeper."
But you said that is all the difference was before? or do you mean you wouldn't use the same powder/components in the "AM" load as the "Wildey"?

What I meant here is do not take a factory Corbon or some other load and shorten it up.  Start from scratch and work your load up.

"Wildey has always recommended using Blue Dot powder instead of the more normal 296/H110 powder as it burns cleaner and works better in the gas operating system.  Performance is cut some but it is still a formidable load."
Performance numbers on both would be nice, I understand some people hot-rod but off hand do you know "normal" numbers to compare? Using this powder, does that avoid it being "compressed" and thus no pressure spikes/issues?

You know what the Auto Mag can do.  With the Wildey's gas system one can down load to 45 acp pressures if you want and it will cycle or go up to full blown 45 Win Mag.  That is the best thing about Wildey's.

"I have shot the shorter "Wildey 44 AMP" ammo in an Auto Mag with no problems."
So if you handload and have both firearms, you could just make up one load for both to avoid having to make up two different sets, unless the performance is a BIG factor and understanding the firearms both function of course.

You probably could use one load for both but I do not see an advantage to that.  These guns are not like 1911 target pistols where you shoot hundreds of rounds every time you go to the range.  I load them like I load for rifles, each pistol is treated individually to find the best function and accuracy.

"The 45 Win Mag has an operating pressure of 41,500 psi and is the same basic case as the 44 AMP, just 1/10" shorter.  With the same bullet weights it should out perform the 44 AMP.  It should have plenty of "umph" to operate the Auto Mag."
So if you have a 45 WinMag in both you could have better performance of both firearms using the same load than using the "44AMP"? Is this why I have seen people asking to 45WinMag barrels made up for the AM? 
I seen so many different calibers being made for the AM when Brian was doing them and a few people showing their special ones made as well. Sometimes I wonder if people just made a change to an exsisting cal. just to have them name a "new" wildcat without being enough difference to really give a hoot unless you like to play the game of one up.

Everybody wants to put their own twist on things.  That is why I want them to chamber the 357 Peterbuilt.

Do you know which came first, the 44AMP or the 45WinMag?

The Auto Mag came first.  Don't feel bad about the 45 Win Mag.  Loaded right it is a powerful cartridge.


I do own a Wildey in 45WinMag, NIB and heard so many brag about other calibers being better than it that I felt bad about this caliber, lol. That's why so many questions, now I don't feel so bad with it, lol. I do enjoy both shooting and collecting so it really didn't matter at the time and only when/if I ever sell it that it might become the factor.
Thanks again for the info.


I will just answer in your quote.


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2017 at 5:17pm
Still learning of all this odd stuff calibers.
I understand most people do load for each arm and what you hunt. I forget about the "hunt" thing, as paper is easy to kill, lol.
Not against hunting either, just never had time nor funds or knowledge to get it done.
I did get like 46 ground squirrels a few years ago with my Baby Automag, lol.
Little things tearing up my property!
Thanks for the answers. 


Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 12:41pm
I seem to recall someone saying the Blue Dot did not work well in AutoMags, maybe Lee Jurras. 

Seem to think it was too much pressure too quick, not sure.  Just remember reading it was not a good powder for AutoMags.  -Joe


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2017 at 7:39pm
Well, I just got confirmation that my New Wildey will ship tomorrow.  The 8 to 10 week delivery turned out to be 27 weeks.

Talking to the girl that handles orders I asked how the new guns are performing and she said they have had not complaints yet.  I asked how many guns have shipped and mine is number 14.

The catcher is they started shipping 6 weeks ago.  That is a whopping 14 guns in 6 weeks.  Shocked


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 6:24am
I hope they do sell well and soon. I noticed there is not much ink on them in newstand stuff which is strange. Then again, perhaps printed magazines are not as important as they once were in the past, I don't know.
Anyway, congrats and when you receive it pix will be nice :) also, curious to know if you notice any changes from the older guns.

Rudy


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 12:06pm
I will try and get out and shoot the Wildey as soon as possible.  I ordered one of their boxes of ammo to test it with so there are no ammo questions if I have troubles.

I heard through the grapevine that the company is being run like a "Hobby Company".  The office Girl told me that the owner is assembling all the guns by himself, test firing them, taking them apart and inspecting them, cleaning them, and then reassembling them to ship.  No wonder they were 9 weeks late on the first gun and shipping about 2 guns a week.

The news I am hearing is  not very encouraging to say the least.


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 7:12pm
Hopefully the owner is just being cautious and output will increase once he's certain there will be no problems. If there HAVE been any changes to the gun, this caution seems even more understandable.
Looking fwd to your report, Beemer.

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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2017 at 7:27pm
All parts are available now and are interchangeable with any Wildey that has ever been produced is what I have been told.  There are some changes but they are very subtle.  I have quite a few of the Wildey's and the only noticeable change was the guide rod arrangement for the gas piston and the old guns can be changed over if you want.  The new pistons and rods work with any gun.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2017 at 8:00pm

I picked up the new Wildey on Friday.  The quality as far as fit and finish is outstanding.  It came in a very nice hard case as shown.  I ordered it with a black rib just to be different.  It comes with interchangeable front sights, both a high one and a low one.  I have an extra set of orange front sights.  The rear sight is black with a white outline.  Very nice sights.

I have not shot it yet.  I ordered a box of their ammo to take out one of the variables and it is not here yet.  I am not expecting trouble, but who knows.









Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2017 at 8:04pm
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Posted By: Pasadena-Joe
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2017 at 4:50pm
Is it a 475?

Interested to hear how it shoots (reliable???)

Looks real nice.  Congratulations, hope you enjoy it.  -Joe


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2017 at 5:19pm
Yes, it is 475. 

Ammo is on the way, hopefully tomorrow.

The Wildey's I have shot have all been pretty reliable once you get the load and the gas setting which is fairly straight forward.  

The most frustrating part I had is to get the gas set you single load and the case has to eject through that "birdcage" barrel extension and they get caught.  You think you have problems but once you load a full magazine and start shooting that problem goes away.


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 1:07am
Congrats Beemer, looks very nice! Until you posted your pix I didn't know they offered the rib in black.

Rudy


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2017 at 1:45pm
The original Wildey Company must have offered it at the end also.  I own one and I have only seen one other.  The ribs are interchangeable according to Charlie at USAFA.  I have a 10" with a scope mount on the rib so I ordered an extra rib to have two.  I will see how good they fit as it should get here today with the ammo.


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 1:29am
Seems to be worth the wait.
Gerry


Posted By: roodyrocker
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 2:29am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

The original Wildey Company must have offered it at the end also.  I own one and I have only seen one other.  The ribs are interchangeable according to Charlie at USAFA.  I have a 10" with a scope mount on the rib so I ordered an extra rib to have two.  I will see how good they fit as it should get here today with the ammo.


Yes, I know the ribs are interchageable. Just didn't know they offered them in black. Btw, what scope do you use on your Wildeys? I too have an older gun with factory scope mount.

Rudy


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 12:27pm

To be honest, I have never shot a Wildey with a scope.  I only own one and it is a rare 14" version I bought strictly for the rarity.

The one with the scope mount I bought as it was cheap.  People shy away from the Wildey's with the drilled ribs.



Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 2:55pm
Very nice! I do see they drilled holes in the rib to get the scope base mounted, it sort of looks ugly seeing the screw go through the rib with them nuts under it but I'm sure it functions nice and is most secure that way. As I look at this, wouldn't it look better and still be secured if the base was moved forward or rearward a little more and the holes(2) then drilled and taped to go into the pilars of the rib to avoid going through it? That would avoid them nuts things from being needed and once you remove the scope mount you can "plug" the screw holes with screws to clean it up. What you think?
You mention the ribs are interchangable, could you just have an extra rib and swap out the ribs when you want to go without a scope and swap back when you want a scope? How would the ribs interchange, secure wise, how are they secured to the barrel/receiver? any pics?


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2017 at 4:16pm

The rib is made of cast aluminum so it would not hold a threaded attachment.

The rib is removed to clean the gas port system which needs to be done every 4 or 500 rounds if you load with Blue Dot, the recommended powder.  If you go to 296 or H110 it would have to be done more often.  The 8" barrels are held on with 3 screws, the 10" and 12" barrels have 4 screws, and the 14" and longer are held on with 5 screws.

I have always wondered how secure the mount was with 2 screws into an aluminum rib, but I have never heard of any problems.

Below is an exploded drawing showing how the rib is held to the barrel with screws.


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Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 2:08am
After looking at the the drawing it seems that most of the work is already done. The ribs are held in place with screws going through it and into a dovetail threaded stem thingy. All it would take is to line up the scope base mount with them exsisting screws holes and use longer screws that would go through the scope mount base, then the rib and into the threaded stem that is dovetailed into the barrel.
Is that correct? Of course the shorter barrels using only 2 or 3 screws would be an issue but anything with 4 screws would be using the 2 middle screw sets.
Nice to learn more, let me know if this sounds correct please. Maybe the scope base might have to long enough to reach both screw hole sets but that would still would look better in my eyes.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2017 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by XP001 XP001 wrote:

After looking at the the drawing it seems that most of the work is already done. The ribs are held in place with screws going through it and into a dovetail threaded stem thingy. All it would take is to line up the scope base mount with them exsisting screws holes and use longer screws that would go through the scope mount base, then the rib and into the threaded stem that is dovetailed into the barrel.
Is that correct? Of course the shorter barrels using only 2 or 3 screws would be an issue but anything with 4 screws would be using the 2 middle screw sets.
Nice to learn more, let me know if this sounds correct please. Maybe the scope base might have to long enough to reach both screw hole sets but that would still would look better in my eyes.


I guess what you are talking about would possibly work, but I personally do not see any advantage and see several disadvantages strength wise.  The scope bases even on a 10" uses three screws to fasten to the rib.  The threaded portion on the bottom of the rib that the scope base screws thread into are not nuts but are round and are fastened to the rib in some way.

In my opinion, it sounds like your main objective is to eliminate the look of the fasteners  and in reality you really do not notice them.  In a profile picture like I posted they show up, but in reality you just don't look at a gun that way.

My reason for replacing the rib is in most circumstances, I would prefer not to have a scope on the gun.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 10:47pm
I finally got out to shoot the new Wildey today.  I was using some factory ammo that I bought from Wildey to eliminate one variable.

I shot one with the gas closed just to see if everything was working and that was fine and the case ejected easily by hand.  I opened the gas valve 8 clicks and shot another.  The slide barely moved so I opened it 2 more to 10 clicks and the slide did not lock open.  I opened the valve one click to 11 clicks and it still did not lock open.  At 12 clicks open the slide started to lock open so I started loading 2 and 3 cartridges at a time.  I kept opening the valve more and finally at 16 clicks open the gun would shoot 5 rounds, eject fine, and stay open on the last round.

I have never had to open the valve that many clicks on any Wildey, especially a 12" 475.  The gun is brand new and maybe it is  a little stiff.

The trigger is horribly mushy.  My accuracy was poor as I had a lot of trouble with the trigger and got to anticipating recoil.  Finally, I just concentrated on trigger control and not the sights and things got better.  I have not shot a Wildey or an Auto Mag for at least a year and they take a little getting used to from my normal 1911 stuff and my Gen 3 PC Smiths that I have been working with.

The last 3 shots I put across my chronograph and the 230 gr 475 bullets clocked at 1689, 1765, and 1755 fps.  That might be a little low leading to a higher gas valve opening.




Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 12:44am
I wish you didn't have such a crappy trigger....it sounds like everything else is alright, though.

At least she runs good!!!!!


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 1:57am
The Wildey I bought in 1989 had the same crappy trigger.  
Did you try the double action?  Was it about 30 pounds?  Get any light primer strikes?

Tony



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 2:03am
Originally posted by desertmoon desertmoon wrote:

I wish you didn't have such a crappy trigger....it sounds like everything else is alright, though.

At least she runs good!!!!!

I have never had trouble getting my Wildey's to run, but this one took a little longer as I am still surprised it took that much gas.  I have another 12" and I run it at 10 to 12 clicks, heavier bullets and hand loads.

The bench range at my club was busy today so I was on an informal range shooting off hand.  I really needed to shoot from a rest at first to get used to the trigger, the recoil, the big grips, and that heavy of a gun.  That is the first time I have shot a Wildey with checkered grips.  I found them a little aggressive, I might have to change them.  That is my fault, I ordered it that way to try them out, probably a mistake.

At least I know it works.


Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 3:57am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

Originally posted by desertmoon desertmoon wrote:

I wish you didn't have such a crappy trigger....it sounds like everything else is alright, though.

At least she runs good!!!!!

I have never had trouble getting my Wildey's to run, but this one took a little longer as I am still surprised it took that much gas.  I have another 12" and I run it at 10 to 12 clicks, heavier bullets and hand loads.

The bench range at my club was busy today so I was on an informal range shooting off hand.  I really needed to shoot from a rest at first to get used to the trigger, the recoil, the big grips, and that heavy of a gun.  That is the first time I have shot a Wildey with checkered grips.  I found them a little aggressive, I might have to change them.  That is my fault, I ordered it that way to try them out, probably a mistake.

At least I know it works.


Ya know, I am likely preaching to the master, here...( and there is little you can do to alleviate a much trigger without doing a full sear/hammer geometry rework ) ....but whenever I get a new piece; I bust it down ( usually just a field strip ) and a thoroughly clean and oil the weapon as though it is dirty.  I personally JB Paste the bore for a good ten minutes ( PAIN in the ass and I don't think I'd do that on a wildey ) , look for anything amiss, then grease and oil the gun but GOOD.

THEN I put it together and rack the slide quite a few times just to get everything rubbed down, so to speak.  That USUALLY does the trick for me.

USUALLY.....


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 1:11pm
When I worked out the shipping details with the girl at Wildey, I asked if the guns were test fired.  She said the owner was doing all the assembly at this time, he then tested fired the guns, and then broke them down and cleaned them before shipping.

When I received the pistol, I field stripped the gun to check it out.  It was as clean as if it had never been fired.  Even around the gas ports there was no residue.  I really believed that it had been test fired and cleaned very well.  It was lightly oiled and there was a red grease on the cam pin where it fits into the slide.  I added a little FP-10 to the rails and bolt and put it back together.

I shot 30 rounds yesterday and the gun is pretty dirty and shows a lot of 'soot' around the gas ports and valve.  I'll give it a good cleaning and lube job and try it off bags next time.

I will talk to Wildey about the trigger but it probably is what it is.


Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 1:07am
Curious to see the outcome.  I would personally like to see them give you a good single action pull if only so that you can actually ENJOY shooting it.  Are your other Wildeys spongy in single action?

I'd also add, just for fidgeting's sake.....sit around and hand cycle the gun a few dozen times.

THAT should be fun with a Wildey.

You know something else I do on new guns?  I take the mags apart, clean them and I wipe the inside of the mag body and the spring and follower with the lightest coat of oil.  I only do that once every couple of years unless I use the gun a lot.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 1:38am
I called Wildey today and the owner was at the Doctor.  I just talked to the girl but she does a good job.  I don't think it is the first time she has complaints about spongy triggers.

When Wildey Moore designed the pistol he incorporated a DA/SA trigger system that makes no sense to me.  Wildey's have always been known to have bad triggers.  To tell you the truth, I don't really know if this one is worse than the others without a side by side comparison.  The pistols I have been shooting lately are either nice 1911's or some Gen 3 Smith and Wesson Performance Center auto which are super nice.  It is hard to go from one of them to 4 pound, 12" barreled, giant pistol putting out 1550+ ft-lbs of KE all at once.

I will shoot from a bench the next time out and that gets a shooter used to a trigger quicker than shooting that thing off-hand.


Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2017 at 5:13am
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

Hmmm.....I had one.  S/N 1109.  It was a complete piece of sh*t.

I'll have to pass on this pre-order.

Tony



Although mine was a different serial number, it too was a major disappointment. I was the 2nd owner and got rid of it shortly after wasting my 10th time at the range with it and a jam on every round.

No gunsmith would touch it and I didn't feel like having a body part lost in the confusion.

For those that have one that cycles easily, good for you. Your a better Wildey owner than me.


Posted By: KMP
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2017 at 4:51pm

With all this talk about the new Wildey, I been thinking that it would be neat to give it another chance. Yep I had one before, but I had a life changing experience with mine, so I got rid of it.

 

Let me share a story about my experience with a Wildey. At the time I was working for Gun World magazine and I contacted Wildey and told them I would like to do an article on loading for .45 Win Mag. I was planning on using a Wildey, Automag 1 and an Automag 4. They sold me one at the Distributor pricing, which was nice of them. After receiving the Wildey I shot it a few times with little to no issues. I did have some slight issues with the piston seizing up, but I was able to work around that issue. One time I took it out to a local range to see how it shot and to test different loads. While shooting rapid fire through a magazine, I noticed one of the rounds didn’t seat all the way (slide was partially back). I’ve encountered that before, with the sticky piston.  Not thinking about it, I hit the back of the slide to drive it home, which it did. As I was getting a sight picture, the thought ran across my mind. “Why did the pistol failure to lock in battery? Piston?” This malfunction just felt different. So, I decided to pull back the slide to see if there was anything I could see that caused it. As I ejected the live round I immediately noticed the bullet was pushed into case the almost .200”! What the hell?!? So now that got my attention, I started field stripping the pistol to see what caused that. What I discovered is that the Remington 700-style/C-Clip extractor came loose from the Bolt face and flew into the chamber! Then I realized that the next live cartridge feed from the magazine, into the chamber, forcing the extractor down into the throat of the barrel. Yep, that C-clip was wedged all the way “around” the throat. So, with the obstruction in the bore and the bullet pushed into the casing, the pistol was a grenade waiting to go off. I’m so thankful that I questioned myself, “why didn’t the cartridge fully seat?” I sent the pistol back to Wildey and asked what they can do to reassure this won’t happen again. All they did is reinstalled a new extractor and function tested it. Soon after that, I sold the pistol.

 

I would love to have another Wildey again someday, but I keep thinking of that moment. I just wish that they would redesign the pistol and maybe install a Sako-type of an extractor, similar in design to what gunsmiths do with the Remington 700 action.

Eric

 



Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 12:35am
Oh...WOW.....the worst extractor design in history when it comes to downright toughness and that is what they used????

Oh, man.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2018 at 9:22pm
I got an email from Wildey today and they are taking pre-orders for Wildey's chambered in 44 AMP and accessory Wildey barrels chambered for the 44 AMP.  Barrel length are 8", 10", and 12".

Barrels are $725.00 plus shipping and expected wait is six months, wait time not guaranteed. They want 50% down.   I have heard rumors that they are not in real good financial shape so I am doing some checking first.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2018 at 11:58pm
Pfftttttttt.  I'll pass.

Tony 


Posted By: Travis Morgan
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 5:21pm
After reading about Eric's experience:

"As I ejected the live round I immediately noticed the bullet was pushed into case the almost .200”! What the hell?!? So now that got my attention, I started field stripping the pistol to see what caused that. What I discovered is that the Remington 700-style/C-Clip extractor came loose from the Bolt face and flew into the chamber! Then I realized that the next live cartridge feed from the magazine, into the chamber, forcing the extractor down into the throat of the barrel. Yep, that C-clip was wedged all the way “around” the throat. So, with the obstruction in the bore and the bullet pushed into the casing, the pistol was a grenade waiting to go off."

I think I will pass even though I would be dishonoring the late Charles Dennis Buchinsky




Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2018 at 9:41pm
Wildey has had their fair share of troubles through the years, especially early on.

I have not had any troubles with the extractors in any of mine nor have I ever heard of that problem before.

I did have troubles with out of spec headspacing on both the Auto Mags chambered in  357 AMP's I shoot though.  One firing out of battery is always a big scare for me.


Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 7:00am
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

Hmmm.....I had one.  S/N 1109.  It was a complete piece of sh*t.

I'll have to pass on this pre-order.

Tony



I'm in the same boat... I could have used it as an anchor.

It could fire a SPECIFIC load *sorta* reliably when using bluedot if I measured it with my digital scale and the gas system was PRISTINE!!!

I gave up... I could not get Speer bullets to group and only the limited supply of Hawk .475 bullets (which are like 150% more expensive than Speer) showed any promise. I got tired of waiting 4 months for an order to fill from Hawk.

Don't get me wrong. There may be accurate and reliable units out there, but, they are not even close to the quality and reliability that I had from my Desert Eagle 44.

The DE44 needed to be kept clean as well, but, it was WAY easier to find components and bullets that would group.

I've looked at Coonan for a  357 but I might go back and get one of the newer DE357/L5 models that weighs less. 



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 4:30pm
I have heard all the horror stories about Wildey's and I guess I am lucky.

I shoot four different ones, all later models with serial numbers above 3500.  All have worked fine.  All of them have lousy triggers and huge grips.

I have one that I bought from the new Wildey Company, USA Firearms, and the fit and finish were excellent inside and out.  It functions fine right out of the box with factory ammo.  It is a 475 with a 12" barrel.  

230 grain bullets at 1733 fps,  1550+ ft-lbs KE


Posted By: Kg7og
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 8:42pm
Hi Beemer1, New here, My Wildey #45xx in 45 win mag is not without a few isues. Seems that with a Wildey I'm left to be my own gunsmith. Im stockpiling spare parts like crazy from USA Firearms. Solved a few problems myself, but there're few experts out there. Would love to compare notes with you.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2018 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by Kg7og Kg7og wrote:

Hi Beemer1, New here, My Wildey #45xx in 45 win mag is not without a few isues. Seems that with a Wildey I'm left to be my own gunsmith. Im stockpiling spare parts like crazy from USA Firearms. Solved a few problems myself, but there're few experts out there. Would love to compare notes with you.

I don't know what issues you are having as I have had very few.  I own a 45 Win Mag Wildey, but have not shot it.  I have shot the 475, 45 Wildey Mag, and the 44 AutoMag.

The one issue that is very irritating to me is that the top round in the magazine helps to eject the spent case.  When I am trying to get the gas valve set, I single load and the case gets hung up in the "bird cage" barrel extension and is a PIA to clear.  When you finally get the bolt to hold open on the empty mag and you start shooting with rounds in the mag, mine always seem to run fine except often the last round does not eject.

That actually is my only complaint other than the grips are way to big for me.


Posted By: Kg7og
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 10:41am
As you may know, Wildey addresses this in the operation notes at USA Fiirearms.com

"The last round, after firing, may not eject. It will drop out when the magazine is removed, so knowing this, it shouldn't be an issue"

Nice!

In the movie "Death Wish 3" while reloading, Bronson needed to "flick" his brass out of the barrel extension also. It seems, that's just the way it is.

With my eyes closed, I can't tell if I'm holding a Wildey or a piece of 2x3 lumber. You know what I mean?

My biggest problem at the moment is working up some mild plinking rounds. Working with RedDot
currently.

It's funny, When ever I take my Wildey to the range or gun shop or where ever, people come up and say something like "Hey cool! is that an Auto Mag" ....I should get one.....


Posted By: Travis Morgan
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by Kg7og Kg7og wrote:

As you may know, Wildey addresses this in the operation notes at USA Fiirearms.com

"The last round, after firing, may not eject. It will drop out when the magazine is removed, so knowing this, it shouldn't be an issue"

Wow! sounds like a disclaimer you'd find with Asian, black market Viagra  
-- "may not work every time, so knowing this, it shouldn't be an issue"   LOL Lol

The more I read about these Wildey pistols, the further I want to put my self at distance from them! 
Seems like the AutoMag owners have way less to concern over compared to Wildey.



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 4:41pm
This is just my opinion, but I would not use Red Dot for light loads.  I think it is too fast for the 45 Win Mag.  The case is large and I would try to find a reduced load that would fill the case fuller.

I personally would try Unique.  The newer batches are much cleaner burning.

I have never tried it but one could maybe reduce Blue Dot down to work.  I would call Alliant and see what they say first.


Posted By: Kg7og
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 8:48pm
Travis, I've read this whole thread and the problems are quite common.

I'm going to work out the last few kinks on my pistol because I know it will be worth it.

The NIB unfired "safe queen" owners (I include AutoMag owners also) will never know what there missing, good or bad ;)

The Wildey is a fussy little bugger, for some (most?) so your not crazy. 


Posted By: Kg7og
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 9:46pm
Beemer1, Thanks for the word of caution on Red Dot. The thinking here is it's favored for .45 colt and mild .44 Mag. Watching for high pressure signs. Results so far are Meh.

Blue Dot is talked alot about in Wildey lore. It must be a .475 thing. I've tried it in all kinds of loadings on 230 and 250 gr bullets kinda dirty.

Love Trail boss, but I can't cram enough of it in a case to rack the slide and feed the next round. I have extra sets of slide springs and might try triming one set a little shorter so it will work. Trail Boss runs really clean and makes me grin every time I fire it.

The idea is to come up with a clean burning (gas operated after all) plinking round for about 20 cents apiece using plated bullets and have fun.

Btw, 2400 is a real flashy fireworks crowd pleaser (wow!) but mega sooty. 


Posted By: Gerry
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 1:23am
Never had any luck with Blue Dot in any cartridge I tried.
Gerry


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 11:58am
Blue Dot is the powder of choice for Wildey's.  Because of the gas system, H110 and 296 do not work the best.  Blue dot gives very good performance in the 475 Wildey and the 45 Wildey.  It produces a shade less velocity than 296 but it works very well.

Blue Dot is my favorite powder for the 10mm.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 12:58pm
Back in the 80's I watched a guy blow the bolt apart in his .357 Desert Eagle using Red Dot powder.  The gun wouldn't cycle, so he kept raising the powder charge.  It still didn't cycle even when the load was so hot it broke the bolt.

Tony




Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

Back in the 80's I watched a guy blow the bolt apart in his .357 Desert Eagle using Red Dot powder.  The gun wouldn't cycle, so he kept raising the powder charge.  It still didn't cycle even when the load was so hot it broke the bolt.

Tony



WOW!

I have loaded reduced loads in an 8" Wildey chambered for 44 AMP with Unique without problems but I was not trying to reduce down as far as Kg7og is.

I would think that Blue Dot could be reduced substantially but would probably burn dirty.  Blue Dot loaded up to magnum pressures burns very clean and works well in the Wildey's gas ports.  H110 clogs them up quickly.


Posted By: Kg7og
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 7:25pm
Rumor, Thank you, didn't want to hear it... but needed to!

Beemer1 , I may have been over oiling the piston/barrel area this whole time and thinking the powder was the cause of the mess. What say you?

On Unique, Everybody likes it, some will offer Clays as a better sub. BTW is Clays, Universal, And Clays univeral the same damn thing?


Posted By: Kg7og
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 7:41pm
I need to break my posts up into smaller chunks, my internet keeps going out and I lose everything
I've typed for the last 10 min or so. 

Blue Dot... Well, There's a old formula and a new formula. Which means there's old load data and new load data. I was never sure which was which, and downloaded the charge more than I should have, maybe. Having said that , I was starting to see flatened primers and it was still running dirty. Or over lubed ( see Above post).  WLP and CCI-300

Want to make a Wildey owner cry? ...Tell him to field strip his pistol. I come up with a pile of 30 or so parts when I'm done. (glock owner)  :) 


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Kg7og Kg7og wrote:

Rumor, Thank you, didn't want to hear it... but needed to!

Beemer1 , I may have been over oiling the piston/barrel area this whole time and thinking the powder was the cause of the mess. What say you?

On Unique, Everybody likes it, some will offer Clays as a better sub. BTW is Clays, Universal, And Clays univeral the same damn thing?

Hodgdon has the following powders:

Clays - Between Red Dot and Bullseye,  It is a very clean burning fast powder but I get better accuracy with Bulleye in target loads in 38 special and 45 acp

International - Between Winchester WST and Accurate #2, Fast burner that I have never used

Universal - Between Unique and Power Pistol,  A lot like Unique only cleaner, I have used a lot of it and like it.

The above three powders all use "Clays Technology".

I lightly oiled the piston and it is going to get black around it.  It comes right off with a cleaning and I take the rib off every 300 to 500 rounds to clean around the ports.  H110 and 296 plug the ports.  It could be unburnt powder clogging them.


Posted By: Kg7og
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2018 at 9:21am
Thanks for all your input fellas, I'm going to see this plinking load project through to it's sucessful conclusion. Then I'll revisit with an open mind using Bluedot for a dialed in full power load (starting from scratch).

Beemer1, since I know you have a new Wildey and few old ones, I"ll share this with you:

some of the older Pistols (mine, circa 1997, New Medford) have a larger Detent Plunger, Detent plunger Spring, and Screw than the new ones. So they may not swap.

I ordered a new robust Hammer Assembly and had to do lots of fitting, ( filing, sanding ) to get it installed and working like a Swiss watch. found out later that it also changed the geometry of the hammer stop (more fitting). So I don't yet know if a brand new hammer stop will work with an old style or new style hammer.

I thought I read you had a 27 week wait for your pistol (overdue) I've ordered a new barrel asembly in high polish and Jessica (nice knowledgeable lady) told me 6 to 8 weeks. it's been 6 weeks, so well see 


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2018 at 1:35pm
The long wait I had was because mine was in the first 12 or so that they made.  Things always take longer than you think.

Jessica is the owner's daughter and is office mgr for Wildey and two or three screw machine companies they own and does a good job.  Here brother Charles builds and does all the testing on the guns, slow one man procedure.  He does do excellent work though.  They have only made about 200 guns in the first year,  Wildey Moore is upset about the way they are running the business.  They have done zero marketing so far.



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