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Topic: 10mm Pistols
Posted By: BEEMER1
Subject: 10mm Pistols
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2016 at 10:44pm
I know we got off topic on 10mm in another thread and there seemed to be quite a few guys on here that like the 10.

I just picked this one up today.  Sig P220 SAO, 5" barrel.  With an empty mag it weighs 44 oz.

It looks and feels like a real brute.



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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2016 at 10:57pm
Here is a 10mm that I really like shooting.

It is a Springfield Armory Omega.  Has a ported 6" barrel  These guns have a Springfield 1911 frame and the upper is from Peters-Stahl of Germany.  It features a link-less design and the barrel locks up to the slide like a Sig or Glock.  They too are built like a tank.


Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 12:11am
Very nice pistols Bob.
 
I am a 10MM fan also, here are a few of mine.
 
Colt Delta Elite 10MM. (5") 
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RIA Longslide Hi Cap 10MM. (6")
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RIA Full Size Railed 10MM. (5")
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RIA Mid Size Railed 10MM. (4.25")
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RIA Full Size 10MM. (5")
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Posted By: KMP
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 12:34am
The Peters Stahl  is probably my favorite, after the Bren Ten. Wink

Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

Here is a 10mm that I really like shooting.

It is a Springfield Armory Omega.  Has a ported 6" barrel  These guns have a Springfield 1911 frame and the upper is from Peters-Stahl of Germany.  It features a link-less design and the barrel locks up to the slide like a Sig or Glock.  They too are built like a tank. 




Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 12:45am
Now that is nice Eric!!
 
I had one many years ago and now I wish I still had it!!


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"This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!!


Posted By: Rayshin
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 1:00am
Here is mine Clap




Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 1:11am
Built this one for my roomie:




  ......now building this one for me.  Gonna have a fully ramped Wilson Combat barrel and busghing to replace the Gold Cup throated Colt barrel.  I have a lot of work to yet.....and as soon as my AR-10 is done ( the money is spent...just off getting a couple of touches done on it ) this is next:





Got the grips done right:



Got to finish up the blending of the beaver tail a bit.  I normally do not like extended beaver tails but in this case....the rat tail was just ugly...this is better....

About 20 percent ( maybe a wee bit more ) to go:




When it is done....it'll also have adjustable Novak's AND a nitrided black slide.....so, it will be a 10mm version of the Combat Elite that I retro modded a bit for my dad:

As such:




Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 1:55am
I own several Brens but this is the only picture I have.

When Rohrbaugh went out of business I posted this RIP photo of guns no longer made.  I didn't put a Detonics in as it was too hard to dig out.



Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 2:01am
Didn't Remington buy Rohrbaugh???  Which is the same as going out of business completely these days.


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 2:14am
Don't know about Remington, but just read that Bond Arms is coming out with design similar to Rorbaugh's.

Beemer, might have to remove top two guns from that pic...you know about the AMP and I was told Wildey Moore is trying to get going again.

My favorite 10mm is a conv. kit in a Grizzly. The extra weight makes it feel like shooting a .45 Govt.!

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Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 2:30am
HERE ARE A COUPLE OF MINE!!  HAVE A FEW OTHERS ie RIA/JAVILINA X 2/DAN WESSON RAZORBACK/ & A COUPLE OF OTHERS.  Will try and get a 10mm family picture, if I can get them all together!!!LOL


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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 2:40am
Originally posted by desertmoon desertmoon wrote:

Didn't Remington buy Rohrbaugh???  Which is the same as going out of business completely these days.

Remington did buy Rohrbaugh and is selling a 380 based roughly on the Rohrbaugh.  It is a very good pistol.

I doubt that they will try to duplicate the Rohrbaugh 9mm.  I feel it would be too problematic.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 2:43am
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

Don't know about Remington, but just read that Bond Arms is coming out with design similar to Rorbaugh's.

Beemer, might have to remove top two guns from that pic...you know about the AMP and I was told Wildey Moore is trying to get going again.

My favorite 10mm is a conv. kit in a Grizzly. The extra weight makes it feel like shooting a .45 Govt.!

Bond has purchase the Boberg company and is supposed to start producing the "Bond Bullpup 9mm" later this year.

A group of investors are machining parts for the New Wildey's as we speak.  They are producing ammo and will start taking orders for pistols in June.  I talked to George Benedict with the New Wildey Co. yesterday.  They have some 357 barrel stock left from years ago.  He is going to talk to Wil about finding their old chamber reamer so they can build me a 357 Wildey barrel also known as the 357 Peterbuilt.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 3:02am
Originally posted by KMP KMP wrote:





The Bren Ten is THE Mack-Daddy of all 10mm.

There are been plenty of good and a few very good 10mm over the years, but they all bow down to the original.

After 2 trips back to Colt and finally buying Chip McCormack parts and doing it myself I have a decent trigger on my Delta Gold Cup, and this Blue Steel version seems so much tighter and more accurate than the previous Stainless version. 

Still not thrilled with the Series 80 firing pin safety crap, just haven't had time to rip it out.

I will regret selling my Bren Ten till the day I die.  I had a perfectly fitted gun and several mags and it shot like a dream.  I foolishly listened to the advice of others and sold it at a market high point and bought more Auto Mag stuff. 

The Bren Ten was without a doubt one of the top 5 pistols I have ever owned.

GH


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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 3:08am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

A group of investors are machining parts for the New Wildey's as we speak.  They are producing ammo and will start taking orders for pistols in June.  I talked to George Benedict with the New Wildey Co. yesterday.  They have some 357 barrel stock left from years ago.  He is going to talk to Wil about finding their old chamber reamer so they can build me a 357 Wildey barrel also known as the 357 Peterbuilt.


Is that built on the 475 brass?

Is it any more potent than the 357 AMP???

GH


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Who was that masked man,,,


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 11:46am
Originally posted by Auto Mag Auto Mag wrote:

Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

A group of investors are machining parts for the New Wildey's as we speak.  They are producing ammo and will start taking orders for pistols in June.  I talked to George Benedict with the New Wildey Co. yesterday.  They have some 357 barrel stock left from years ago.  He is going to talk to Wil about finding their old chamber reamer so they can build me a 357 Wildey barrel also known as the 357 Peterbuilt.


Is that built on the 475 brass?

Is it any more potent than the 357 AMP???

GH

The 357 Peterbuilt is the 475 Wildey case necked to 357.  There were very few of the 357's built back in the late 80's. 

The tested velocities were 158 gr at 2060 fps and 125 gr at 2300 fps both out of a 10" barrel.  Wildey never pushed their loads like Lomont and others did with the Auto Mags either.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 11:53am
The Colt Delta Elites are very nice pistols for the 10mm but lack chamber support.  Underwood loads a near maximum pressure load in the 10mm that can't be fired in a Delta.

The newer 1911's featuring a ramped barrel are a better platform for the 10.  Dan Wesson makes very nice 10mm right now.

The chamber support on the Sig 220 is as good as any I have seen.  It looks like a real moose to me but I have not shot it yet.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 1:03pm
WOW, never heard of this before.

Have there been problems with Bbl/Chambers in Delta's ???

I recall problems with the slides in the earliest batch of Delta's

GH


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Posted By: KMP
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 4:30pm
Yeah, I've had a couple over the years that I sold and now I totally regret. In fact, the first Bren that I bought and sold over twenty years ago matches the serial number of one of my AM1s. A few years back I found out who owns that Bren and I've been trying to buy it back since. Note to self; Never Sell Anything!

Originally posted by Auto Mag Auto Mag wrote:

Originally posted by KMP KMP wrote:





The Bren Ten is THE Mack-Daddy of all 10mm.

There are been plenty of good and a few very good 10mm over the years, but they all bow down to the original.

After 2 trips back to Colt and finally buying Chip McCormack parts and doing it myself I have a decent trigger on my Delta Gold Cup, and this Blue Steel version seems so much tighter and more accurate than the previous Stainless version. 

Still not thrilled with the Series 80 firing pin safety crap, just haven't had time to rip it out.

I will regret selling my Bren Ten till the day I die.  I had a perfectly fitted gun and several mags and it shot like a dream.  I foolishly listened to the advice of others and sold it at a market high point and bought more Auto Mag stuff. 

The Bren Ten was without a doubt one of the top 5 pistols I have ever owned.

GH


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

[QUOTE=USA 1776]Don't know about Remington, but just read that Bond Arms is coming out with design similar to Rorbaugh's.


Bond has purchase the Boberg company and is supposed to start producing the "Bond Bullpup 9mm" later this year.

A group of investors are machining parts for the New Wildey's as we speak.  They are producing ammo and will start taking orders for pistols in June.  I talked to George Benedict with the New Wildey Co. yesterday.  They have some 357 barrel stock left from years ago.  He is going to talk to Wil about finding their old chamber reamer so they can build me a 357 Wildey barrel also known as the 357 Peterbuilt.



Sorry about the mix-up...similar guns both with crazy names, had a senior moment.

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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 6:05pm
Also, see if Wildey would build 2 of those. Tell him one is for the guy who traded him an AMP awhile back. Traded for a .357 AMP bbl., which is probably what those blanks are for.
I think, for such a custom job, it would be better if he was dealing with just one person.

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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2016 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

Also, see if Wildey would build 2 of those. Tell him one is for the guy who traded him an AMP awhile back. Traded for a .357 AMP bbl., which is probably what those blanks are for.
I think, for such a custom job, it would be better if he was dealing with just one person.

They built a few of the 357 Wildeys back in the 80's.  No body wanted to mess with the ammo so they dropped it.

George is trying to see if they still have the reamer and the drawing it was made off of.  With that I could get loading/forming dies built which could take 6 months.  Their Office is not where Wildey Moore lives so they do not see him that often and he does not know if Wil will remember what happened to the reamers or not.

I will let you know.

Added later

After thinking about it, I am going to see if they would be interested in making a 357 AMP barrel also.


Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 01 May 2016 at 2:54am
Originally posted by Auto Mag Auto Mag wrote:

WOW, never heard of this before.

Have there been problems with Bbl/Chambers in Delta's ???

I recall problems with the slides in the earliest batch of Delta's

GH


Actually, Deltas can handle up to Norma "proper" 10mm loads and even a couple of the high end ammo makers say that the Delta can handle their ammo.

That being said....a properly made, fully ramped 10mm, correctly sprung and timed 1911 leaves no guessing room....

That's why my Delta is being fully re-barrelled.


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 02 May 2016 at 4:45am
I have to admit that I have never paid too much attention to the Bbl on my Delta/Gold Cup.  Having shot countless thousands of really hot hand loads through .45 Govt models without any signs of Bbl/chamber problems, I have always assumed the 10mm Bbl (which should have a much thicker Bbl/chamber) was safer/more capable.

On another note, I had both my Delta Gold Cup out and a couple Auto Mags this weekend, and given all the focus on reducing the level of effort to cycle the Auto Mags, I couldnt help but notice how much harder it was to cycle the slide on my DGC than the Auto Mags. 

I may well be the odd man out, but I have never thought cycling an Auto Mag was too bad, but I HAVE always thought cycling my DGC was very bad! 

I assume all 10mm 1911's use heavy recoil springs and are difficult to cycle;  yes/no ???

My particular CZ75 variant was one of the 9mm/41AE kit guns and when I have it set up with the 41AE Bbl and recoil spring, it too is a very difficult gun to cycle.  In part due to the very limited surface area you have to grab on the slide. 

They both make the Auto Mag seem very manageable by comparison. 

Curious to hear about others experiences with 10mm 1911's. 

gh


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Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 02 May 2016 at 5:02am
The bronze ten mil that I built is easy to handle with regular "Norma" type loads.....when you get to Underwood and Corbon type stuff it'll make your hand buzz after a few magazines.  It is definitely more stout than my .45s.

That being said, I like the ".357ness" of 10mm.  You have a LOT of load flexibility with it just the the .357 magnum...you can run the gamut from soft to hard loads and everything in between.  It's a FANTASTIC cartridge.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 02 May 2016 at 7:26pm
GH  

I find that all 10mm have very stiff recoil springs and are hard to "rack".  The new Sig 220 is about as stiff as any I can remember.  I have not even taken it apart to see what it has for a spring.  The guys on the 10mm Forum are running much stiffer springs to shoot "nuclear loads" and to prevent the slide from opening too soon.  I believe some are running 24# recoil springs.  It also reduces the distance the brass gets thrown.

My oldest AMP, which is the one I have shot the most, has always been stiff to cock.  It got better as I shot it more.

I have a Jurras "tuned" Custom 357 which is much easier to cock.  I also have several  Lomont "tuned" AMP's and they are even easier to cock.  If one would go through the "polishing" procedures as laid out by Lee and Kent, I feel the force to cock all AMP's could be cut nearly in half.


Posted By: AUTOMAG
Date Posted: 02 May 2016 at 9:14pm
My RIA 10's are all running a 25 pound mainspring and the recoil springs on the full size are 20 pounds and the Mid Size are at 24 pound.

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"This is the 44 Magnum Auto Mag and holds a 300 grain cartridge and if properly used it can remove the fingerprints"!!!


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 02 May 2016 at 9:37pm
Thanks John, that reminds me that the guys on the 10mm Forum also put in a stiffer mainspring and a flat bottom firing pin retainer.  They are using the hammer to help resist the slide opening too soon.


Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 03 May 2016 at 2:20am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

Thanks John, that reminds me that the guys on the 10mm Forum also put in a stiffer mainspring and a flat bottom firing pin retainer.  They are using the hammer to help resist the slide opening too soon.


Yup.  That is part of my Delta build.  By the way,  Harrison Design has a specific FPStop that is built for exactly this purpose.

It is a GORGEOUS unit.

Also, by the nature of the ten mil extractor ( which is the .38 Super / 9 mm profile ) I use SOLELY Cylinder and Slide extractors because they are specifically built of spring steel.


Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 5:13pm
Well figured it was time to show the family.  These are to 10's that I have acquired over the years.  And yes the 10mm is one of my favorite rounds.  The picture is not the best but if you would like a close up of any of them just let me know.  AS Numbered:
1.  AMT 10mm Magnum
2.  Wyoming Arms 10mm Longslide
3.  AMT Javalina 10mm Lonslide
4.  AMT Javilina 10mm
5.  Colt Delta Elite 10MM Hard chromed with custom elk antler grips!
6.  Dan Wesson Razorback 10mm
7.  Wyoming Arms 10mm
8.  Kimber Eclipse Target 10mm
9.  S & W 610 10mm
10. Dan Wesson Commander 10mm
11. Dan Wesson 10mm (Serial #001) Bought directly from Dan Wesson Arms
12. Colt Delta Elite two tone custom.
13. RIA 10mm


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Posted By: 76nova
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 6:17pm
very nice Larry


Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:23pm
Yea, didn't realize I had 13 of them till today when I took the picture!!!

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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 12:58am
I think the most unusual 10mm I own is an Auto Ord. Tommy gun. Talk about low recoil! Thinking of selling it...any interest here?

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Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 1:51am
Why yes there is interest!!!!!!!!   What kind of price are we looking at????

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Posted By: 76nova
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:19am
wow..nice set of tens there Larry, though i never got into them. I have always been a 357,44,and 45 ( especially Kimber) type of guy.But those sure are nice


Posted By: usrguns
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:44am
Originally posted by 76nova 76nova wrote:

wow..nice set of tens there Larry, though i never got into them. I have always been a 357,44,and 45 ( especially Kimber) type of guy.But those sure are nice

Well if your interested I just might have a Kimber Eclipse Target Two 45 on the market!!!!


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Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 4:00am
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

I think the most unusual 10mm I own is an Auto Ord. Tommy gun. Talk about low recoil! Thinking of selling it...any interest here?



WWWWWWWHHHAT? WHAT? WHHHHAAAAT?

No pics??????



Posted By: AutoMagyar
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by usrguns usrguns wrote:

Well figured it was time to show the family.  These are to 10's that I have acquired over the years.  And yes the 10mm is one of my favorite rounds. ...
 
What Larry, no Bren Ten to round out the collection?  I'm disappointed.
Kidding!  LOL
That's a great collection. I'm one of the ones who never got into that caliber either (yet), but I must admit I admire them a lot.  I just don't know if I need yet another semi-obscure caliber to have to reload for. (because if they're not common in the States, you can usually multiply that by at least 2 for up here in the Great White North) Hah, hah.  Would love a Bren though .......
Cheers.


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Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 12:25am
Originally posted by desertmoon desertmoon wrote:

Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

I think the most unusual 10mm I own is an Auto Ord. Tommy gun. Talk about low recoil! Thinking of selling it...any interest here?



WWWWWWWHHHAT? WHAT? WHHHHAAAAT?

No pics??????




Wanted to check interest first. I'll dig it out in the next day or so and post pics. Just a Thompson carbine w/ stick mag and marked 10mm. I'm sure there aren't many. Was told once They tinkered with this idea back when the FBI was supposed to go to 10mm. Not sure if they hoped to sell it to them(being semi-auto), but probably thought the ammo would be cheap if there were millions of rounds being made for the LE community.

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Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 1:46am
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

I think the most unusual 10mm I own is an Auto Ord. Tommy gun. Talk about low recoil! Thinking of selling it...any interest here?


Not full auto,,,,

Now that would be a blast!

GH


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Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 2:34am
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

Originally posted by desertmoon desertmoon wrote:

Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

I think the most unusual 10mm I own is an Auto Ord. Tommy gun. Talk about low recoil! Thinking of selling it...any interest here?



WWWWWWWHHHAT? WHAT? WHHHHAAAAT?

No pics??????




Wanted to check interest first. I'll dig it out in the next day or so and post pics. Just a Thompson carbine w/ stick mag and marked 10mm. I'm sure there aren't many. Was told once They tinkered with this idea back when the FBI was supposed to go to 10mm. Not sure if they hoped to sell it to them(being semi-auto), but probably thought the ammo would be cheap if there were millions of rounds being made for the LE community.


I knew the FBI had some test guns made in 10mm...but had no idea AO tried to do a 10mm semi.  Are the mags "standard" AO Tommy gun mags or do they look to be made strictly for the 10mm????


Posted By: XP001
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 4:22pm
AO NEVER TRIED to make a semi 10mm, they DID make some! Bet you almost got upset reading the first part of that statement, lol. They made very few of them, I would guess 1,000, I heard the number before but forgot what it is. I'm sure USA would know better, when you own rare things you tend to research them for knowing their history, I know I do. That's what makes it fun for me. I own a few AO in 22LR also. The drum for the 22 are the most rare items, even more rare than the guns. Lots of history on the AO as they were around a long time.


Posted By: 76nova
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 8:12pm
would love to see a picture of it!


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 11:02pm
Well, its not in the small safe, but I did find the purchase paperwork for it. This means I didn't sell it and forgot! Searching the big safe will take awhile, since I'm sure gun is in the back! Unfortunately, I just bought as an investment, knowing from others it was rare. When I find it, will need to get at least $2500 for it. Thats purchase price and very small profit.
I'll start an ad in the sale section w/ pics when I find it.

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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2016 at 12:53pm
I was able to pick up this pair last week.  They are Bren Ten Dual Master Presentation Grade, consecutive serial numbers.  There were about 50 of the Dual Masters produced and they are seldom seen for sale.  These are both nearly perfect and unfired.






Posted By: tgt40
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2016 at 1:49pm
W O W ! ! ! ! 

Shocked



Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2016 at 8:21pm
JACKPOT

That is like hitting the lottery.

Nothing more to say but OUTSTANDING!

GH


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Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 3:16am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I was able to pick up this pair last week.  They are Bren Ten Dual Master Presentation Grade, consecutive serial numbers.  There were about 50 of the Dual Masters produced and they are seldom seen for sale.  These are both nearly perfect and unfired.






You lucky...lucky dog!!!!!


Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2017 at 2:08am
DONE!

Shoots like a DREAM!!!!!!!  It does NOT however, shoot like a kitten.  Running things like Sig 10mm and Hornady 180 grain XTP factory loads, this gun BOOTS....but it is accurate!!!

Running a Wilson fully ramped match barrel with a fitted bushing.  22 pound recoil spring, 25 pound hammer spring, extended length firing pin spring for safety and a Harrison flat bottom firing pin stop.

This is one beast of a gun.




...and I love it!!!!




Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2017 at 2:48am
I hope the new Delta Elite pistols shoot better than the old ones.  I bought one new when they first came out in 1987 or so.  I won't call it a complete POS, but it was close.  It functioned perfectly, but the damn thing shot "patterns" not groups.  We're talking six inch groups at 50 feet on a good day.

Tony



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2017 at 12:34pm
desertmoon  -  It looks great and sounds like it shoots just as good.

Did you do the all work yourself?

What all has to be modified to go to the ramped barrel?


Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2017 at 2:59pm
NICE!!!

Looks like a keeper to me.

That said, I still can't take my eyes of the pair of Bren Tens,,,  Damn that was a lucky buy!

I also have to concur with Tony, I bought a stainless Series 80 Colt Govt Model .45 ACP and shot patterns, and even my Series 80 Blue DGC needed a lot of trigger work.  Sadly, too many Colts during that period were not well built guns,,,

Hope you enjoy it!

Long live the 10mm.

GH



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Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2017 at 4:24am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

desertmoon  -  It looks great and sounds like it shoots just as good.

Did you do the all work yourself?

What all has to be modified to go to the ramped barrel?


Oh, wow!  Don't know how I missed this.

On my Delta ( and on the Fusion ) I did most of the hand fitting and some of the finishing.

I have a good smith that I trust who did the mill work and fitting of the sights and the Wilson Match barrel and bushing on the Delta.  I did the grip safety. I did all of the barrel fitting on the Fusion.  WHEW.  I did everything on that Fusion.....had bloody fingers by the time I was done.

Final frosting on the Delta was done by my smith.  I still need to frost the grip screws.




Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 5:11pm
I won a Les Baer Premier II 10mm 5" at our local Friends of NRA event this spring.  What I really wanted was a 6" Hunter model and I finally got the 5" sold and I was able to pick up a 6" for the same money.

I have ordered a 6" 9mm barrel from Kart and I will have my Gunsmith fit it up and ream it to 9X25 Dillon.  That is the Clymer reamer in the tube.



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 5:19pm
Reamer




Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 4:16am
Sorry, but after shooting all the AMT 7" longslides and 8", 10" Grizzlies, not sure I call a 6" slide "long" anymore!
Nave you shot a 7" Javalena 10mm before? Likely not as smooth as your LB gun, but I love it!!

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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

Sorry, but after shooting all the AMT 7" longslides and 8", 10" Grizzlies, not sure I call a 6" slide "long" anymore!
Nave you shot a 7" Javalena 10mm before? Likely not as smooth as your LB gun, but I love it!!

I have owned dozens of Auto Mags, but the only AMT product I own or have owned is a BAM which I have never fired.

A shooting friend of mine had a 45 and a 380 Backups, pure junk as far as I was concerned.

Through the 80's and 90's I looked at dozens of AMT Longslides and Hardballers and other automags at Gunshows and at least 70% of them were so galled they would hardly work. I never saw any new AMT's in Gunshops.  I know that most of the troubles were caused by the owners improper lubing the SS with mineral based oil, but it still soured me on anything AMT.  

I have a Grizzly in 45 win mag at it is a well made firearm.  I have four of the LBC and I really look on them as the top of the line 1911's.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 6:08pm
I picked these up at the start of the week.

A pair of consecutively numbered Bren Ten  M&P's.


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Posted By: desertmoon
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 1:02am
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I picked these up at the start of the week.

A pair of consecutively numbered Bren Ten  M&P's.


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Oh, my, oh, my!!!!


Smile


Posted By: TRX302
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 12:36am
> Nave you shot a 7" Javalena 10mm before? Likely not as smooth as your LB gun, but I love it!!

The wimpy 10mm Auto or the righteous AMT 10mm Magnum?


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 12:57am
Originally posted by TRX302 TRX302 wrote:

> Nave you shot a 7" Javalena 10mm before? Likely not as smooth as your LB gun, but I love it!!

The wimpy 10mm Auto or the righteous AMT 10mm Magnum?

I have never seen a Javalena in person even.  I tried to buy one of the 10mm mags off of William Bryant but it was worth more money than I wanted to get tied up in an AMT.

If I was going to go 10 mag I would look at one of the new Ruger revolvers I think.


Posted By: USA 1776
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 5:09am
The MK IV 10mmmags are pricey and mine is unfired and will remain that way. The 10mm auto Javalena came in a 5" and 7" model. The 7" is of course heavier and front end heavy making it easier to shoot well. And then theres the longer sight radius as well. Point is I shoot it well and enjoy doing so.
However my absolute fave 10mm is an 8" LAR Grizzly.

Recently there was a revolver on GB in 10mmmag, but not sure if it was a GP100 OR Super Redhawk. Think it sold north of $900.

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Posted By: KMP
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 6:25pm
Number 76 and 77. Dang I was hoping to get the chance to buy those. Well, Congrats Beemer. 

Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I picked these up at the start of the week.

A pair of consecutively numbered Bren Ten  M&P's.


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Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by KMP KMP wrote:

Number 76 and 77. Dang I was hoping to get the chance to buy those. Well, Congrats Beemer. 

Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I picked these up at the start of the week.

A pair of consecutively numbered Bren Ten  M&P's.


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Eric

They are 168 and 169.  I could not get a decent sized photo to post so that is why it is so small.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 8:19pm
Beemer1,

When you stick a 9mm barrel in a 10mm slide, the hood on the barrel is too narrow and you'll have some side-to-side slop at the ass end.

You should really have your gunsmith TiG up the barrel hood and recut it to fit the slide.

Tony


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 9:13pm
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

Beemer1,

When you stick a 9mm barrel in a 10mm slide, the hood on the barrel is too narrow and you'll have some side-to-side slop at the ass end.

You should really have your gunsmith TiG up the barrel hood and recut it to fit the slide.

Tony

I was wondering about that.  I asked my Gunsmith and he thought it would work.

I talked to the guys down at Kart and I am pretty sure they are the barrel  supplier to Baer, althought they would neither admit to it or deny it.  He knows that I am putting it into a 10mm slide.  The barrel is not made yet because I wanted it shipped without the caliber marking.  I will get in touch with him again and see what he says.

Thanks for the tip.


Posted By: KMP
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 9:22pm
Oh, you have the other pair, I've heard about. That means I still have a chance!! Wink

Enjoy those two.

Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

Originally posted by KMP KMP wrote:

Number 76 and 77. Dang I was hoping to get the chance to buy those. Well, Congrats Beemer. 

Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

I picked these up at the start of the week.

A pair of consecutively numbered Bren Ten  M&P's.


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Eric

They are 168 and 169.  I could not get a decent sized photo to post so that is why it is so small.


Posted By: Rumore
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 12:06am
Beemer1,

It will work just fine....it just won't be right.

Tony Rumore
Tromix



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 12:41am
Originally posted by Rumore Rumore wrote:

Beemer1,

It will work just fine....it just won't be right.

Tony Rumore
Tromix


But I want it right.

I have  the LBC 6" Premier II's in both 10mm and 9mm.  I am going look them over and see what the difference is for sure.  The barrel coming from Kart is not a drop in unit, it is made to be fitted by a Gunsmith.


Posted By: TRX302
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

The MK IV 10mmmags are pricey and mine is unfired and will remain that way.


If there's anything that *should* be an orphan cartridge, the 10mm AMT Magnum would be it. It was an optional caliber on an extremely low production gun last made long ago...

The Wikipedia entry for the 10mm Auto says the parent case was the .30 Remington. So theoretically Starline just makes some slightly-longer 10mm Auto brass and trims it to Magnum length. I don't know if they're ever going to make any more .30 Remington, but that's also the parent case for the 6.8 SPC, which still isn't quite dead yet. So it wouldn't be a big deal for Starline to make an occasional run of 10mm Mag, but I still can't see that they'd sell enough to bother. Not that I'm complaining!

The .30 Remington, by the way, was part of a set of cartridges designed by John Moses Browning for his long-recoil semiauto hunting rifle, produced as the FN Model 1900 and the Remington Model 8. The cartridge was basically a rimless .30-30 Winchester, in .25, .30, and .32 caliber. Early boxes of .30 ammunition were marked ".30-30 Remington", which caused no small amount of confusion for customers...

The case head diameter was smaller than the "normal" .473" size, which derived from the 8x57 Mauser, but larger than the smallbore rimless cartridges that came out in the 1950s. No other rimless case could be adapted; during times when no new brass was available, shooters resorted to turning rims off .30-30 and cutting extractor grooves. The various Remington cartridges have been in production for more than a century, but brass is a *lot* harder to get than 10mm AMT Magnum! I think Remington makes a tiny run every other leap year.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 2:08pm
A couple more Bren Ten's.  A special Forces Dark and a Special Forces Light.










Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 11:10pm
So many great photo’s and 10mm collections!  I’ve been a .10mm fan for years.  This is one of my favorites and it is legally a pistol until a Form 4 with the ATF makes this config legal.  It is a Coharie CA-89:



Posted By: kwesi
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2018 at 11:36pm
LAR Grizzly in 45 Win Mag but with a factory 10mm kit.



Posted By: CrazyLarry
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2018 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

A couple more Bren Ten's.  A special Forces Dark and a Special Forces Light.









You are going to jinx it for us waiting on our Automags by posting pics of a B-T!!!

Those are bad luck on a gun forum... 


Posted By: TRX302
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:

 The barrel is not made yet because I wanted it shipped without the caliber marking.


Nobody would admit to being able to make a .40 Super barrel a couple of years ago, so I had Nowlin make me one in .40 S&W and ordered a reamer and headspace gages. When the barrel came in it was, of course, prominently marked ".40 S&W". Sigh... it never occurred to me to ask if the could leave the marking off.


Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 2:31pm
It seems like Auto Mag fans are also 10mm fans so to brighten things up around here I thought I would put up some good news.

I have been on the hunt for Bren Tens for a lot of years and just recently I found an API marked Bren and that completes my collection of all the cataloged Brens except the Jeff Cooper Commemorative and I have never even seen a picture of one except Colonel Cooper's.

I had them all out at once for the first time ever so I thought I'd take a photo.






Posted By: Auto Mag
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 2:38pm
BRAVO

The Bren Ten is also one of my top 5 favorite pistols, I LOVE them!

That is an amazing photo, great job hunting all those guns down.

If you ever find that you need to adopt a very old son to leave your collection to, I can be available as needed ;-)

Thanks for sharing, I love to live vicariously through others.

GH


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Posted By: golden24
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 3:17pm
Those are bitchen Bob ! Beer


Posted By: Travis Morgan
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by BEEMER1 BEEMER1 wrote:


I had them all out at once for the first time ever so I thought I'd take a photo.




    

Geesh, you even got the Sonny Crocket version (all chrome) !  



Posted By: BEEMER1
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 8:08pm

Crockett's Bren was actually a 45.  Look at the bore size in the clip.

The Vice gun was a full size 10mm Bren changed to 45 because of the availability of blanks.  They chromed up the slide so it would show up better in low light shots.

The Bren in my pic is a 4" Special Forces light, they were a catalog item.



















Posted By: Pantera Mike
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 1:31am
 Bob,

That is a terrific collection!  I have always been a tremendous fan of the 10mm cartridge and was an early adopter, buying (new) one of the first Colt Delta Elite pistols ever made, in 1987 or so.

In 1990 I had it customized a bit, fitting an oversize barrel link for tighter lockup, and the Wilson Shok-buf full length guide rod system. I also had them relieve the ejection port. 

I shot it that way for years, then last year I sent it to Wilson Combat to have them fit one of their triggers and give it a proper trigger job. 

Just in the past few weeks, I was able to buy long-discontinued NOS Pachmayr rubber grip safety, arched mainspring housing, and Pachmayr grips. A local gunsmith fitted them and also polished the feed ramp a bit. I just got it back a few days ago, and haven’t fired it since this last round of improvements. It certainly feels much better in my hand than it did with the old slab-side grips and flat mainspring housing. 

When I am doing my part it has proven to be extremely accurate. The photo below shows one of my better groups at 15 yards with full-power ammo (10.0 gr Blue Dot and 180gr lead SWC).

(Edit—the forum software won’t let me upload the pics of the target or modified magazine for some reason)

However I find I often have failed to do my part, due partially to the former trigger pull, and partially to the stock grips.  It was harder to consistently shoot it well than my softball Gold Cup 45. 

I’m looking forward to my range opening up again so I can try it out. 

I recently bought a pair of CMC 9-round magazines. While technically they (barely) held 9 rounds, the internals were so compressed that they could not be inserted into the gun with the slide forward. They only fit when the slide was locked back. 

Taking a cue from my Detonics 45, I had a friend mill slots in the base of the mags, which allows the back of the follower to just barely protrude and gives the necessary internal clearance to let them be installed in the gun with the slide forward. 

10mm (when loaded to proper 10mm pressures) totally rocks!












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