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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Luc V. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 8:03am
All things Tony wrote above are true.
Mine is like that also and had some more...
Very few dare to tell how it really is.
 
I just hope the new ones will be alot better.
 
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I guess I started this thread so I should weigh in I feel.

I have only shot the newer Wildey's, 2004 or so or newer, but I have 4  that I have shot.  I have shot 475's, 45 Wildey, 45 Win mag, and 44 AMP.  I found the gas was fairly easy to set once I became familiar with the process.  Just start low, single load until the bolt stays open, and then fine adjust from there.  The grips are huge and somewhat hard for me to shoot, but I have not experienced the sharp edges.  I don't shoot pistols like this double action and I really don't think the ones I have shot are DA that I remember.  I have found the Wildey triggers quite adequate on my pistols.  I have found the accuracy to be very good and recoil quite acceptable.  The 12" 475 shoots easier the the 8" models in my opinion.  It just seems to balance better.

I have never cracked the "barrel extension/bolt guide".  I bought a barrel on Ebay very cheap that was cracked with the idea of welding it.  After looking at how the pistol functions, I decided to shoot it first which I did and decided to leave it that way.  If you adjust the gas properly, I do not have a problem with the crack.

The Wildey, like the Auto Mags, is a very different pistol and takes some getting familiar with it to appreciate it.
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Thanks for your comments on the Wildey Survivor. Over the history of the Wildey Survivor, there were three design issues that I am aware of, and these have been addressed over the years.
1. Early hammers. The hammer was redesigned with a more robust cross sectional area. We have not seen an instance of any of the new hammers cracking or breaking.
2. Barrel extension cage cracking. There were  a relatively small number of cracked barrel extensions reported by Wildey owners, as you mentioned. We have studied this exhaustively and without exception, these cracks developed in barrel extensions made at a machine shop we no longer use, whose adherence to the specs designated on our drawings was not up to our standards. We have tight QC on these and the new ones look terrific.
3. Piston guide rod. Early Survivors used a threaded piston guide rod. There were a few instances where the guide rod unthreaded and fell out, which obviously caused problems. This was corrected years ago by a re-design that uses a floating pin that is captive and cannot fall out.

All of the issues above are easily corrected should you have one of these guns and all our new parts are backward compatible to the earliest guns.  

In addition to the improvements noted above, we have elected to switch from using a cast slide to using a slide machined from solid SS bar stock, despite the greater expense. It's just plain better.

Our new barrels are still supplied by Green Mountain, but they are now honed using a proprietary technique Rick Sanborn developed for match grade barrels. We think the results will please you.

Further, we have made a subtle but important change to the way the barrels are machined to seat into the barrel extension. Again, we really didn't have significant issues, but the new technique creates a superior product.

If any Wildey owners are having issues, please contact us at 860-266-4971. We want to get you shooting again!

Parts, ammo and gunsmithing are available by calling Jessica in our service department at 860-266-4972
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When will pricing be available and when will you start shipping barrels and complete guns?
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Here's where we stand.
Production of frames was delayed for months while we awaited a ruling from the ATF regarding our proposed serialization procedure. We just got that ruling last week. So, finally we can start machining frames. All other parts are complete and we are building the several sub-assemblies as we await machined frames.
But, to answer your questions more directly:
Price indication for a 10" Survivor chambered in .475 Wildey Magnum, brushed SS finish (the so-called "Bronson gun") is right at $2900 MSRP.
We expect to start shipping Barrel subassemblies by December 1. Don't have a price yet...but stay tuned.
We will offer .475 Wildey Magnums, .45 Winchester Magnums and then a limited run of .44 Automags and even the .357 Peterbilt (2300 fps MV).
We hope to start taking orders for guns by December 1. Everybody on the Wildey VIP list will get first shot (yes, intended...) at owning one of the new guns. Send an email to george@wildeyguns.com if you want to be on the list. Please visit our Facebook page to stay in the loop. https://www.facebook.com/WildeyGuns/


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Originally posted by WildeyGuns WildeyGuns wrote:

3. Piston guide rod. Early Survivors used a threaded piston guide rod. There were a few instances where the guide rod unthreaded and fell out, which obviously caused problems. This was corrected years ago by a re-design that uses a floating pin that is captive and cannot fall out.
George
 
Almost true, the piston guide rod did not unthreaded and fell out, the threads got stripped because of the recoil. That's what I told Wildey in the year 2000, and told them how I changed my pistol with the pistonguide rod they now use. Never heard a thing back from them...
 
At first I tried a crosspin to keep the pistonguide screw and spring in place, but even that didn't worked. Then I came up with the simple rod instead of the screw, and drilled the gaspiston all the way trough so it  could just slide over the rod. The recoilsprings just push the gaspiston foreward when the slide close, no need for the extra spring around the guiderod.
That's how it works.
 
The first time I saw 'their' new guiderod was at the shotshow in 2002. There was a guy at the booth (if I remember correctly a Jason) talking about their new designed guiderod... I almost got sick and walked away...
 
I still have  a simple solution for another common problem on wildeys, just wonder if the new pistols will be "updated".
 
Luc.
The guy from Belgium... 
 
 
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I will weigh in here having had some Wildey experience that is a bit more varied. I have fired more than ten different Wildey pistols, but probably less than twenty. Sorry that's as best as my memory can account for. I have owned several of them, and one particular gun that saw more than 1000 varied rounds through it. They have ranged from 6" to 12" barrel lengths; they have been 45 Win Mag and 475 Wildey Mag. Here are some observations I have made in my working with these guns in the last 20 years:

To WildeyGuns points:
  • The original hammers were far more aesthetic to my eye. When in the operation of folks who tended to over-gas the guns, the hammers would mar and warp. They would leave impressions on the frame as well. This would vary with the level of over-gassing. I heard about broken hammers, but never saw one. The new hammers do not mar or warp. They are more robust in the circumstance where over-gassing occurs. More on this later.
  • I saw one cracked extension, and I owned one that cracked. Wildey welded it. It cracked again. They replaced it. No more problems. More on this later.
  • Never saw or had a piston rod  issue. None the less, the redesign seems to be good. I have noted no operational differences between the two variants. If Luc is the genesis for this improvement, my sincere condolences friend. Such is the engineering/product design world. I have suffered that slight in silence many times.
  • I often fired these guns at 200 yards plus with admirable performance. If they are improving the barrels further, I am brimming with anticipation at the results.

To Tony's points:

  • The double action is atrocious. His description is accurate, other than I never had light primer strikes. I however, never really cared. I saw the double action element as an emergency feature. My use of the guns mostly employed the single action mechanism, and I am quite fond of it. I have large hands and so my leverage on the gun may affect my positive perspective.
  • I never suffered pain or injury on any version of the gun from the grip design. Caveat again, my hands are large. The newer ones were very rounded and I believe greatly improved that issue for those who may have been affected. Tony is definitely not alone, as I believe Dean Grenell and another popular gun writer commented equally.
  • A certain era in manufacturing did have poor machining/casting quality inside.That particular era also is coincidental with cracked extensions. The replacement extension I received was of the appropriate quality. Tony is well within the rules of hyperbole to describe it as chainsaw milling. My emotions tended in that direction when I first handled one of those particular examples.
  • It usually takes me about five rounds to get the gun cycling on a new load. Of those five empties, usual one or two will get chewed. I can usually get them back in shape and reuse them, but often have a shortened life, and some are a total loss. I see the fallout from that as minor, but it is there. It has not bothered me. If you like the gun, and wish to employ it, this goes with the territory. Caveat, I like the gun.

My own points:

  • These guns have always cycled well for me. They are not for the impatient shooter. They are not for the beginner. Side note: Tony is neither. He received a lemon and his other critiques are well founded, albeit subject to perspective in some instances.
  • A big problem with this gun that I have seen bring it to its demise was the circulation of some potentially ill advised instructions from long ago. They persist to this day. This is my opinion, but it is founded on my own anecdotal experience. There was some cycling tips suggested that were aimed at the impatient shooter. They recommend opening the gas system to about 8 clicks to get you started quickly, and then adjusting up or down from there. Anytime I tried to prove out this advice, a very poor result would be had. All those I would encounter with damaged guns, or cycling issues, were operating under this advice or some version of it. I have enjoyed some twenty plus years with these guns by sticking to the manual's instructions. Start from the closed position and feed one round at a time, one click at a time. With loading and shooting experience, you will have better judgment of how many clicks you can open it to start. Never over-gas with the intention of working your way down. It is a beautiful gun, but it's design/construction does not favor over-gassing in the least. Hate that aspect or be fine with it. Certainly a personal choice. There is no accounting for taste.

Good luck all. I may post further insights as necessary.

Best Regards,

David

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John Wayne, on how he would like to be thought of.

Translation: Ugly, strong, and dignified.
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I have very limited experience with the Wildey so I will reserve further comment about my experiences for the moment.

Regarding the comments from the Wildey Company, I have to say I am impressed.  Not combative, not defensive, not arrogant.  Just matter of fact, as it should be.

Not sure I am an interested buyer, but its nice to see quality business etiquette. 

And please do not confuse these comments as an attack against anyone else.   They are NOT.  I am simply saying I am impressed with their communication.

This is what I expect what I but products that cost as much as a Wildey does, and believe it or not, I actually do enjoy giving credit where credit is due. 

I had some very limited experience with the Wildey folks many years ago when I had the two 475 Auto Mag Bbls built.  Wildey sold be the Bbl stock, and a quantity of brass, and while they probably thoughts I was completely insane trying to convert an Auto Mag to shoot a 475 round, they were helpful and professional. 

Hope they do well with the new next production run.

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I'd like to weigh in, not as a Wildey fan but as a fan of the Magnum Autoloader which has long been a neglected field in shooting, by and large.

I want to see Wildey and Auto Mag BOTH succeed AND I want to see the new Brno Field Pistol succeed, too.  I'd also love to see a newer version of the LAR come back but in auto loading calibers with correspondingly slimmer frames.

The world is sooooo full of tacticool and while I love that, too, I think there needs to be something NEW and FRESH in the world of handguns.  These guns, while expensive, can create a breath of fresh air in the handgun world.

Calibers like the 10mm and the .460 Rowland prove there is a market for powerful automatics and guns like the Auto Mag, the Wildey and others can fill a long neglected niche in handgunnery.

I hope Wildey continues to make guns and I hope they continue with their product improvement and I can't wait to see the Auto Mag hit the market again after all of these years.  I think these guns will lead the way into a rebirth of long range, powerful pistols.....and it's about time.
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Well, I cannot say I have shot them enough to have the problems some describe, and though I am not a likely customer I still wish them good luck.

GH

p.s. LOVED the chainsaw comment, great laugh regardless of what you were talking about.  And again, I have not observed the same, just couldn't help but laugh at that one.  gh
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