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    Posted: 01 Apr 2019 at 8:11pm
So I took my new-to-me Mod 180 to the range and as expected, it went less than stellarly.


Issue 1:
Mainly the bolt wouldn't fully close without a little extra push from my palm. (But of course it didn't do that every time). I was NOT limp wristing. The springs seem really strong - am I missing something?

Had one misfeed (???) Not too bad?

But got through a most of a box of 50 rounds.

Issue 2
When I got back home and cleaned it, the bolt hold open wasn't working consistently. I may have to take the grips off, and do more cleaning/lube down there. Suggestions?

I know these aren't the most reliable monsters , is this part for the course?

But man, it was FUN!!!
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Originally posted by delcrossv delcrossv wrote:

So I took my new-to-me Mod 180 to the range and as expected, it went less than stellarly.


Issue 1:
Mainly the bolt wouldn't fully close without a little extra push from my palm. (But of course it didn't do that every time). I was NOT limp wristing. The springs seem really strong - am I missing something?

Had one misfeed (???) Not too bad?

But got through a most of a box of 50 rounds.

Issue 2
When I got back home and cleaned it, the bolt hold open wasn't working consistently. I may have to take the grips off, and do more cleaning/lube down there. Suggestions?

I know these aren't the most reliable monsters , is this part for the course?

But man, it was FUN!!!

Del,

I too am a new AM owner and experimenting.  My gun came fitted with aftermarket wood grips and the hold back along with safety/bolt latch were extremely stiff.  I found that the recess was not deep enough for most of the moving parts under the grip and thus had to do some carving to correct.  I also replaced the wood with some of the new G-10 grips from Patrick.  Those too did not have all the material removed to allow for correct function, a little widdling again and all was good.

As for your bolt lock up issue.  What ammo are you using, SBR or your own hand loads?  Have you performed a complete tear down, clean and reoil?  Mine was pretty sticky when I received it and so I didn't fire it until I'd cleaned and reoiled.  Like many here I opted for the FP-10 oil and it is super slick.  I've also done some of the tuning tricks that Lee Jurras mentions in his 3 articles.  Mainly polished the recoil rods, polished the bolt and the rotary pin at the contact points.  My gun hasn't had your issues but rather skipped rounds while using hot loaded ammo.  All other functions have been great.  Hope that helps.

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Any idea of fired round count? Its possible it hasn't been "broken in" yet. These guns suffered the same fate as many a S/W model 29...bought, shot a few times and put away.
We all know these guns have real issues, but I'd suffer thru another 1-200 rounds before sending to a 'smith.
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No idea about round count, it showed up at my LGS . Doesn't look too used though.  I'm using FP-10 and grease in the accelerator.  I probably need to grease the back of the bolt under the endcap. 
The grips are the original plastic ones from TDE . I'm thinking I need to pull them and scrub out that part of the action . That's one place I haven't poked around yet. 
I'm not pulling parts until I have replacement circlips etc. in hand.
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Hi Bill. Im using Reed's ammo. 240 grn @ 1350 fps. Specd. I haven't chronoed the ammo. Feels mild. (?)
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With my Wildey, to get it to run some-what reliably, I had to get it sqeeky clean after a range session and then lube it in all the contact areas.

FP-10 works pretty well, but, my 22 WMR automag needs RIG+ grease along the slide and a light coat all around the outside of the barrel near the front of the slide.

I found a sonic jewlery cleaner at a local thirft store for $25 and I use it with a couple 50/50 mix of distilled water and 150 proof alcohol to clean my more troubling guns until they are broken in. I keep the fluid around 90F when I pour it in and in 15-20min, all the oils float to the top and the gunk sinks to the bottom.

As far as the grips, you could try varying grit of sand paper to smooth out those areas. 240/320/400/600 and see how it goes.

It doesn't sounds like your recoil springs are bad, but as others have pointed out, you might just need some breakin time. You might try cleaning all around the bolt and lugs with dental pick to see if there is some build up from over lubrication from the previous owner or storage.

I had a Beretta 92FS that was misfeeding for some reason and I was stumped, so was my gunsmith. He told me to take it home, put it in a double-zip lock bag full of RemOil and put it in a double boiler for 30min to see what came out after I was sure I had cleaned it all. (without the grips on it).

Sure enough, there was lots of dirty particulates that clouded the inner bag and I never had a problem afterwards. (someone had used a lube that dried out and was impossible to spot/clean with normal methods)

I now use that method on all the used guns that I collect. After that, a sonic bath does the rest and I don't worry much at that point.

All my AR15 bolts get a boiled-bag and then sonic treatment before re-lube.
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Also check your ammo VERY well. I bought some Cor-Bon a while ago and they roll crimped the cases. I caught it before using any, but my point is some aftermarket ammo makers don't know how to make .44 AMP ammo correctly. Also make sure they are not too long for your gun. DO NOT force a round to lock up in your gun or you could damage the barrel. Check your magazine pins as well for bolt hold open, they may be flattened on one side, but grip clearance is your most likely culprit. Good luck!!
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I have the holdopen blues too. Check out the responses I received on this post. 


And  Bruce Stark has a very rational analysis of the situation here. 


Oddly, mine doesn’t work with the grips on or off when manually cycling the gun. However under recoil it somehow always manages to work?  Weird.....
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Originally posted by Pantera Mike Pantera Mike wrote:


Oddly, mine doesn’t work with the grips on or off when manually cycling the gun. However under recoil it somehow always manages to work?  Weird.....

Same here. Always works after the last round fires, but not consistently when manually cycling it after I cleaned it. (???)
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in your poking around did you take the cocking piece off and look at the rotating spring for the bolt?  they have a tendency to gum up if not used.  when i got my TDE NH years ago it was reluctant to properly rotate the bolt into battery and that cured it.  clean everything out and follow the recommendations in many of the links about lube and oil to get things back running.
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