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    Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 4:49pm
I just watched Jeff Kelley's video on utube and noticed one shooter holding the gun with the two thumbs up ;-)

Beware of the barrel locking lever...




This is just trying to help prevent dropping the barrel.

I thought it's OK to post this since Jeff Kelley's video are also public to watch.
If you want me to remove this post, let me know Jeff!
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Well, I feel obliged to say I have NEVER seen anyone hold a gun like that before.

I have no idea how or why you would hold the gun with your right hand, leaving your right thumb off the gun and then wrap your left hand over the right hand, and finally place that right thumb on top of the left hand thumb.

That is possibly the most unusual and most awkward hold I have ever seen.

Well you cant blame that one on the Auto Mag,,,

Good catch!

It truly falls into the "you cant make this stuff up" category.

Bet she has sore/tired hands after shooting like that.


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It's a slight modification to her normal thumbs-forward grip she uses very successfully on std size semi-autos.  The AM was probably a bit unwieldy feeling.
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You guys can post my videos anytime you want. 
Does anybody have any insight on the 45 Win mag Automag and the Automag II with the serial numbers RCZ-1 ?
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Thanks Jeff for the permission to post.
Your video with many automags is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3OwZ0M7Ox0



George, that style for holding a PISTOL is about the "standard" grip for most IPSC shooters. Holding most pistols like that does work but it take some time to get used to it.
The idea behind this is to cover as much frame as you can with both the palm of your hands (left and right hand) to get a firm grip. 
When I first tried it it does feel very akward and unnatural. Especially for someone used to shoot any other sort of hold. I always prefered the REVOLVER style hold wich I learned from Jerry Miculec. This guy gives alot of good information about stance, hold, aim etc.
See his tips on revolvergrip here: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEHNZFTfSD8


I shot all my handguns holding them like that and never had an issue with the Automag before untill I changed my hold to what I call the IPSC grip. (pistol) I switched back to the revolverhold and flipping that lever on the Automag was gone. So in theory the Automag pistol is not a two thumbs up!! Tongue
In short the trick is to not let the handgun twist, pivot or turn in your hand, keep your grip as high as you can will help alot to stay on target. 
Just my 2ct, I'm not a professional or even a crackshot, but always willing to learn... 

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Never really had a problem with holding a gun, especially large ones as I am 6'7" and have Popeye forearms.  Even though I have taught people with small hands I have not seen that particular kind of grip.  I will admit that after I got married and had kids was not able to get to competition events to see.  One woman that I let shoot my Contender I told to watch out for the lever tang and she did not so had to look after a torn finger on the off hand which she put behind the tang just before touching it off, oh well.

Amazing that the barrel was still on the gun after dropping the lever, must have been last round only.
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Hummm,,,,  I think you folks are missing my point, the hold in general is not what I am commenting on, its her thumbs, they are reversed.

I have never seen a 2 handed grip on a pistol, using the right hand as the dominant hand, but then wrap the right thumb on top of the left on, that backwards and a huge stretch for her right thumb which should be a major part of her primary grip on the gun. 

She should pick up the gun with her right hand and have a full and firm grip with the right hand.

Then as a secondary support she can wrap the left hand on top of the right hand, with the left thumb on top of the right thumb.

The way she is holding it, she does not have a solid grip with her primary hand, as her right thumb is not on the gun.

This is a week grip. 

If she simply switched her thumbs she would have a much better grip on the gun.

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George, just have a look on this video, pay attention around the 5:00
You do not use your thumbs, just keep them out of the way...


Not my favorite grip and I know it is weird, but it works once you get used to it. I still prefer the revolver style grip to (what you are trying to tell), but it is not because someone does something different it is not good.
Oh, I never invented this, I just tried it to see if it works. You never to old to learn. (if you want to..)
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Originally posted by AGunNutToo AGunNutToo wrote:

It's a slight modification to her normal thumbs-forward grip she uses very successfully on std size semi-autos.  The AM was probably a bit unwieldy feeling.

I agree with what you are saying here.

Her right thumb is not able to reach clear around the grip and lay flat and still reach the trigger with her finger.  My hands are about normal sized but I have short fingers and my grip ends up being similar to her's on an auto mag.

I have never had trouble with my thumb hitting the lever but I will pay attention to it next time I shoot one.  Hopefully my Founder's Edition will be coming soon.    Wink
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Originally posted by Luc V. Luc V. wrote:

George, just have a look on this video, pay attention around the 5:00
You do not use your thumbs, just keep them out of the way...


Not my favorite grip and I know it is weird, but it works once you get used to it. I still prefer the revolver style grip to (what you are trying to tell), but it is not because someone does something different it is not good.
Oh, I never invented this, I just tried it to see if it works. You never to old to learn. (if you want to..)


Hi Luc,

Sorry, I'm not 100% clear on what you call a revolver style grip, the old "cup and saucer" police stye???

As for Jerry Miculek, He is talking about speed shooting lite loaded 9mm, and even then, and with all due respect to Mr. Miculek, I do not agree with his guidance in the video.

The primary hand holding the gun must have a strong and FULL grip on the gun, first and foremost!  Adding a second hand is a supplement.  If you dont have a solid grasp of the weapon with your "shooting" hand, then you are just adding band-aids. 

Holding your thumb out or up or away from the gun is not a good idea and NOT a sufficient grip for most shooters.

You would need exceptionally strong fingers and grip strength to make that style of hold work for the gun he was demonstrating. And NEVER would I suggest such a hold to anyone shooting magnum level autoloaders, let alone one with as much motion elements as the Auto Mag has.

If someone took the woman in the video, and showered her how to get a good solid grip on the gun, right hand thumb point forward toward the muzzle and under the recoil rod tube, then add the second hand on top of her primary hand locking the left hand thumb on top of the right hand thumb at a 90 degree angle, she would have a stronger grip and her right hand thumb would be no where near the barrel release.

In the other video where the woman engaged the barrel release and dropped the barrel, I suspect she had her left hand wrapped too far around the right hand and had her left thumb pointing forward and actually resting on the barrel release lever.

These are small things, but they do make a difference and all is not equal for every gun style, load, and type of shooting (bullseye - pins/plates - combat - metallic silhouette - etc) and shooter.

Well thats my 2 cents and with current inflation, worth about -10 cents,,,

ATB

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