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Automag III 30 Carbine: Malfunction: Need Help

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With all this talk about "other" issues might be the problem. I'll start with the hammer strut and maybe burrs. If you look at my pic of the hammer strut you will see scratches on it, looks like a few spots there, I'm not sure if this happened when I first got it and have since worn the burrs off or if there still is a little rough spot in there. so I'm not so sure about burrs there. My hammer sides were nice and smooth.

Next was the safety, I pulled the Automag III out again and now have learned how this safety works and how to remove it. Was a really simple thing to do but not sure I did it the "gunsmith" way as I'm not one and not sure if they would have better/special tools. Using a needle nose pliers(what?!) and my trusty punch, it wasn't much of a problem. After pulling it out I noticed the indents for the detent, mine were nice looking and you would have to be really careful if deepen them. The other thing you might look at would be the condition of the spring and the detent cover that goes over it. A stronger spring may be needed to force the detent in the notches more securely. Reinstalling this you must be careful not to do the "slide stop" scratch on the slide, as on the safety latch there is a stop notch that will ride against the slide if you pushed it in tight before you do the final turn around to lock it in position. 

Just my thoughts, any others?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kwesi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 3:56am
Range report: after a couple of rounds the hammer fully dropped but no ignition so I taped the safety ( even though it was definitely not loose).  Loaded a mag and she ran 100% for a few mags then it happened again.  Soft primer strikes.  Here is the pic of my hammer strut.  Looks bent to one side.  Is it supposed to be centered?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote XP001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 4:31am
What you perceive as bent to one side is that the strut is just more to one side than the other, no issue. The bent part that people refer to is the " stem" that inserts into the center of the hammer spring is not straight below the tab section that your seeing in your picture that goes into the hammer slot. Look at my strut than take mine and stand it on edge, that is the veiw your seeing in your pic, which you can't see the bend in it now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kwesi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 1:01pm
Could these issues relate to a normal break-in period?  I doubt my AM has had many rounds since it was made.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote XP001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 3:47pm
Good question. I can't remember what mine did that long ago. I got this NEW sold in gunshops back then as they were still in business, along with that Automag V and BackUp 45. I was getting the oddest biggest stuff back then 1986-8 ish time. I don't think I would have been happy with maybe it fires or won't though. A few times might have ok but seems like you can count on this every outing, which I wouldn't be happy with either. Still waiting on seeing pics of your baby.
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Every outing except the first.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Luc V. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 5:48pm
It looks from your picture that the hammerstrut pin is dragging on the frame.It sits to far out on one side. That might slow down the hammerdrop and cause the light strikes.
just a thought.

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Good observation Luc.  Any thoughts on how to eliminate that?
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A quick trick is to use a thin knifeblade and gently knock it between the frame and the pin and watch to see if the pin moves back in place.

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I learned long ago about camera angles, just because it looks like it's dragging from this pic it may not be. You need to stick your face in close to see if it is. Also, IF you break it down into pieces, you will really see if it was dragging against the frame by an arc mark on the frame. It doesn't make sense through when you think about it, according to your comments it work fine the first few mags, than started having issues. Did you move the strut at the start and it moved back, I doubt it. It never hurts to move it as every little drag adds up, I can't see it being the main or only issue. You also have the IAI branded Automag III. Forgot which came first thought it was AMT, then IAI and then back to AMT. Same owner, he just had lawyer/lawsuit protection issue worries.
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