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Automag III 30 Carbine: Malfunction: Need Help

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote XP001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 8:47pm
I just broke mine it down to pieces, pain in the butt to figure out how to get it back together because of the one stupid spring(sear) BUT I got it back together. Not sure if I did it the easy way or hard way. I'll make a post of my step-by step for you tonight.  The only "special" tool I used was a "dental pick" with a slight angle on it, I'm sure you can use a normal awl or pick or small phillips using the point, even a long thin nail would work. you will understand once I post details. I'll even include pics so it will be easy to understand what I did. Others are more than welcome to comment if there is a better way to do this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kwesi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Oct 2018 at 11:53pm
XP: wow you are amazing!!!  Thank you again.  I’ve got the dental pic.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote XP001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 5:40am
well, I was wrong! I needed to use a 1/16 punch and a screwdriver and that was all that was needed for this break down, no dental pick. Here are some pics, they are in order of take down and put together. I'm sure if you copy it you can really blow it up on your screen. They are very detailed when i did them on my screen.

ENJOY!

Couple of comments, first my hammer spring and recoil spring look like a twisted mess and yep the hammer strut is bent BUT I never had any issues with it shooting and no jams. Mine also shoots/functions without the recoil rod pin/spring. It has been awhile since it was shot, maybe in the next few days I'll take it out back and run a box to check it again. Once it gets warmed up I may even clean it, lol. This is my shooter and has never given any issues even when it's dirty which it is now as I have not cleaned it for at least 700-900 rds. Bad habit too break but one day I will.

Last thing to say, I did NOT try to straighten the strut because with my luck I would break it, I also made sure I re-installed it the same way it came out. I didn't want to reverse the direction thinking it would straighten itself that way because it might not function or break. Why mess with something if it isn't broke! If I had spare I would try things with it but not without spares on hand. Just my thinking
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kwesi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 2:54pm
XP: I can’t thank you enough.  I hope the mods will make this a stickie.  I will need to study your tutoral several times before attempting this.  Even then I will need a backup plan incase I can’t get it back together.  To quote  Dirty Harry “Every mans gotto know his limitations”..lol.  BTW: your excellent photos look very familiar to the YT video in the dissasembly of the Automag II.  Have you watched it?  I will watch it again and compare them.  I find it interesting that your AM functions fine with the bent strut.  This makes me more curious as to why mine is malfunctioning.
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There are differences between the Automag II and Automag III, the main basic take down for starters, the extra pieces for ejector(3- ejector plate, spring and detent ball) on the 30- the II is just a piece that sits on top of the indent on the frame. The sear springs between them are so different as how to install them too. That is where I used the punch to have to push it up and onto the side step of the hammer. If you look at the hammer you will find there is a circle ridge around the shaft hole on the right side and the spring leg must be place on top of this and then you slide the hammer right against the frame. Takes a little practice but isn't too bad. I took a few pics of this area to show how it looks and if you don't do it right the ejector plate would be very tight to fit in and probably won't move/work. This would also cause the sear spring to be "WEAK" and may not hold the sear securely, allowing the hammer to push past it and fall unexpectedly!  I'm sure I could make a tiny little spring leg install tool that would just make it a normal step, I already have a few ideas, care must be taken not the over stress the spring and re-set it's form and ruin the spring totally. I'm going to do a write up doing this and refer to pics, did you notice I numbered the pics?
I also did "copy" the pic from this post and they are not as clear as mine, reduced resolution from the pic service to the board is my guess. If anybody emails me I can send them direct to you. The pic can be zoomed in so close you can be blinded by the glass beaded frame! Will work on the write up BUT first I want to have a little fun and take it out for a few pops!

Love doing this stuff as I learn and remember more each time doing it. If others have better steps please speak up as all positive input is good for learning these things. 

Yes, I did watch the Automag II video but it didn't install the sear and how to get that spring back in, at least the video I seen. I'll look again today for some. Surprised only basic break down of the III and lots of shooting but no total tear down. I'm not a big video talking person but it does seem like a good hands on type of instruction, reading/pics are a little dry but it's easy for me to do.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Luc V. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Oct 2018 at 7:01pm
Thanks for the tutorial and the Pics XP001.
I saved them on my computer and they are very good and clear.
 
Just one question about your AMT III, you say that yours do not have the little pin and spring inside the recoilrod, and works fine, but I would like to know if the recoilrod is drilled to accept the pin?
 
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Luc,
Yes it did and it did come with it installed.
Story is my Uncle (who believed he knew everything) decided when we got through shooting the Automag III, Automag V, Ruger P-85 and Ruger MK II that we would clean them all. I was new to the Automag III and V and wanted to go slow through each but he layed out the newsppaper, rags and then ripped them all down at once! Well once everything was cleaned and put back together we started picking the paper up and "POP" out falls the spring and pin. Never could figure it out for years as everything cycled and then was fired and worked. I saved the pin/spring but forgot where I put it, since moved and found it and now forgot where I put it again, lol. 
Since then I slowly started to take down and learn everything I could from what I own, quit being scared about not being able to figure it out, especially now since the net will have any answer to any problems that might come up.

I did fire 3 rds today through it and it worked perfectly. I only did 3 cause it was so windy and cold. I also didn't want to lose the brass as the grass needs cutting and is a little long right now. I have been only using my 22lr stuff and forgot how loud and much the recoil is on the bigger stuff, when your used to no recoil, any recoil is bigger. WOW! It was fun.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Luvz2Shoot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Oct 2018 at 7:12pm
Yes, thank you for the pics and tutorial XP001.
 
While saving this to my computer I ran across some notes that I had for it too.
 
I had found where someone was thinking that the safety was popping out of the fire position on recoil causing the hammer to contact the cam (ever so slightly) instead of making full contact with the firing pin on follow-up shots.  They posted that they taped the safety lever in the fire position and didn't have anymore problems with light strikes (or no strikes).
 
Here is what someone else posted regarding light strikes:  "My pin was fine as far as length goes but the safety caused light strikes so I deepened the recess into which the safety retaining plunger goes and that fixed the problem."
 
Someone else was having light strike issues.  Once they took it apart they found "burrs" on the hammer area where the hammer strut attached to the hammer, that may have been causing drag.  Once apart clean/deburr/polish those areas while its apart too.
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Thanks for sharing.  My thoughts have focused on the safety.  Hoping to test her tonight.  Assuming the malfunctions resume I will put some tape on it to confirm.  I planned on focusing on the hammer position on each failure.  I will report back.
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Burrs on the hammer strut area and or sides of it would cause it to slow down and lose punch power. The safety thing might also if you use it enough that it wears lose. I know this may sound bad but I never used my safeties on these AMT Automag models (II, III, IV, V) as I always ran them dry and the slides locked back, then I would pull the mag so never worried about moving the safeties. Might be worth looking at if they move "freely", I did check mine now and they were a little stiff so no worries for me. 

Well here is my final install on the upper area of the frame stuff. I re-did the description of AMT parts so they were in numeric order to help find it faster. My instructions worked for me but if anybody has a better way speak up, sometimes your eyes are better than mine are. Hope I covered everything needed.


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