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Here's to try and answer your questions.

Yes, the hammer struts may have a SLIGHT bend in it, but anymore and it starts to cause issues.

Yes, when reinstalling the slide, and the rod is bent like that, you can pinch it. Sometimes it works and falls right into place, other times it ends up poking out just a bit. I have found that even sticking out that tiny bit can cause it to not function properly. I always make sure its "perfect" or I catch myself chasing "issues" that may not really be issues.

As for the pins, now I don't know which ones I took them out of. Meaning, I didn't write down which firing pins went with which serial number. I assume what you mention about making the later versions with the stronger looking pin. These 3 pins are out of 6". I do have a 4.5" but have not taken it apart to see the pin. Now that I think of it, I will have to do that just to see and compare. Could they have gave them the hour-glass shape to take weight off the pin for operation? I am not a 'smith or engineer, I just remember a subject on another gun that talked about the firing pin weight. Maybe it was the Auto Mag firing pin? I don't remember. But I wonder if it has anything to do with it. Then they realized that making it beefier, and just notching it a tad, doesn't make that much of a difference? Maybe someone with a lot more experience and knowledge than me will know and help shed some light?

The 2 barrels on the right are actually barrels I bought around 2012-2014. One was from Numrich. I went to order another one and they didn't have any so I contacted High Standard and they sold one to me. The HS barrel and Numrich barrel look the exact same. I assume that they were from the same source. We all know that an original AMT barrel has the blow-back holes and the barrel is welded to the lug. The HS barrels look like they are pressed in (I know that would be stupid of them to do), but I can tell you that they do NOT appear to be welded to the lug. Maybe they are threaded? There are NO blow-back holes in either of them. I did a picture comparison in another thread on here a long time ago. I cannot find it to reference, but I attached some pictures below to show the different barrels and extractor cuts in the lugs.

I hear you about the ammo. 22WMR and 17HMR is just crazy. Mostly Hornady and CCI. I'll have to find a place and order some of the Aquilla.


These were taken at a time that I had my 4.5" AMT-II taken apart and I was comparing them.






This one shows the extractor notches in the lugs. The 2 on the left are the HS/Numrich barrels. Note how the notch is no where close to where it should be for proper function of the extractor. These prompted me to get out the Dremel and try to fix it myself.

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This is the only ammo that would run in my guns.

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Thanks Luv
Now I can tell the difference of them barrels, the HS/other barrels do not have the gas assist system in them so they didn't drill gas holes and weld the sleeve in place. Funny thing is they chamber opening still shows that they still cut down the barrel dia and sleeved it with the rear section/block. Wonder if they pressed it to keep it on or like you said maybe they threaded it on? That saved some work BUT what system did they do? How do the chambers look like? I once cut apart a barrel that was very abused and found a few things out about the thing. The sleeve is pressed on and even with the weld cut off I had to press that section off, was not a slop fit. Maybe your guys just figure it was enough with the 22mag pressure, not sure. Also explains why the extractor slots are different style then too.

Tony, I wouldn't be thinking of doing these for profit but just for the fun and learning of it. No guarantee of anything with it IF I get to doing them. I have a few ideas about making a few different parts my way to see if I can because I can. Never a business, way too much overhead issues with paperwork and other junk, you know it.

Ammo I use is Super "X" stuff but mine is really old so I know it's the right powder type as I heard they now changed it (maybe). My stuff was stored properly and has no issue firing.
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One of these recent posts mentioned wanting AM II compact grips...Ebay...https://www.ebay.com/itm/173874222846?ul_noapp=true
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Can you explain how to get the firing pin and extractor part  is it very difficult if anything I would like to get in there clean   I've had a lot of failure to extract and some double feeds I just got the gun and fired it for the first time yesterday the only ammo it would eat on a regular basis was the armsicore 40 grain 1875 FPS.  in fact after 15 years of hunting and wanting one to get it it was very anti-climatic and made me very disappointed I was ready to sell it last night after just getting it out of the 10-day waiting.. but today I'm having  A Renewed Second Wind to get this thing running I was talking to another guy that had an automatic for sale and he said he have the number of the guy that bought the rights to all of the automag stuff in Texas? Is this a folktale? And that he we'll work on these guns and tune them? any and all help would be appreciated
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Far as I know High Standard(in TX) bought the rights to AMT name and probably got any leftover parts. Don’t think they made too many of these or the Backups. Don’t know if they will still work on them. Call and ask I guess.
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I couple of mine had failures to extract. One was fixed by installing a heavier extractor spring. The other one also needed a chamber polish.

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Run it up, until you blow it up, then back it down a bit.
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These have a gas assist system built into the chamber. It was noted that only ball powder ammo should be used to avoid clogs in the system. Now if you look at your spent cases, they should have circles of gas soot that are 6 in a row going around the case with 2 rows for a total of 12. if you have clogs you will be missing some or all these marks on the case.
IF you "polish" the chamber be careful not to clog them holes or get junk jammed into them that will close them up. You can take a paper clip and make a hook at the end to route the holes open if there is some closure. Make sure you do all 18 holes. 12 where the case sits and 6 more just before the rifling in front of where the case sits.
I would never say to polish the chamber because I have seen first hand what people can do to them. Not saying you can't but a little here goes a LONG way! I would try everything else before messing with the chamber but that's just me.
Don't give up on it, in fact you need to buy another! This would allow you to swap parts around to track down your issue. Just tell the wife it needs to be done and you get another new firearm. Also if you post some pics of it we might spot something, we love pics!

Hi-standard did go into production of AMT for some models (Automag II, III and back up that I know for sure of) but they then got bought out by Crusader(?) which then went belly up a few years later. So not sure who still owns the rights because I'm not sure if it was sold as a "license to make OR property /patent rights". Maybe somebody will pick it up, they are a nice solid "steel" firearm opposed to the plastic stuff out there. Market share is so small because of the plastic, youngin just love their plastics. I do own both so I'm not downing plastic just pointing out the market direction in my mind.
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thanks for the replies that was contemplating polishing versus the holes myself
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Originally posted by USA 1776 USA 1776 wrote:

Far as I know High Standard(in TX) bought the rights to AMT name and probably got any leftover parts. Don’t think they made too many of these or the Backups. Don’t know if they will still work on them. Call and ask I guess.


High Standard is no longer in business as of 2018.



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